Tom Kalbfus
Mongoose
Millennium Falcon
Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)
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Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
My estimate is hundred fifty tonnes, if you don't count fuel tanks.
And flattened sphere.
And flattened sphere.
Tom Kalbfus
Mongoose
the specs mentioned 100 metric tons of cargo, so I drew a circle around a 100 dton square, added an upper deck with a turrent, a turret on the bottom, and a third pop-up turret, I believe according to traveller rules, a starship with three turrets would have to be at least 300 dtons, so I started out with a 400 dton corsair, and modified it to have the features of the Millenium Falcon. Han Solo laid claim for it being the "fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy" I take that to be a slight exageration, but of course it is a fast ship, since Lando called him a pirate, I started with a Pirate's Corsair, which is 400 tons. The standard corsair has Jump 2 and thrust 3, I raised both to 4, so I needed bigger drives and power plant, all size H, and of course enough fuel to make a jump-4 The Falcon Specs mentions quad lasers, and the core rules only deal with triple turrets, so I created a quadruple turret and assigned a reasonable price for it. In A New Hope, the Falcon jettisoned its escape pods, so I added escape pods. In the Empire Strikes Back, The Falcon had its rear deflector shields knocked out, so I created a Deflector shield based on a black globe. In the classic High Guard, a minimum black globe was 10 displacement tons and cost MCr400, a major portion of the cost of this ship is the deflector shield which works by both reducing damage from energy weapons and absorbing 8 hits before any additional hits are applied to the structure, hull or compartments. After adding all this, reducing the number of staterooms from 10 to 4 and low berths from 20 to 8, there was 60 dtons of cargo space left.Infojunky said:
This is of course a Classic Traveller Era Millenium Falcon, and not actually one from the Star Wars Universe, it can't speed across the Galaxy in a matter of hours, its jump drives are standard. It has enough fuel for four weeks of operation after making a jump. It has a fusion power plant and hydrogen fuel tanks. What the actual Millenium Falcon ran on, I'm not sure, the movies never said. The Falcon typically refuels at a starport, it doesn't have fuel scoops or fuel processors.
Tom Kalbfus
Mongoose
Had to make it bigger to have 3 turrets, and had to give it a decent jump rating and maneuver rating to uphold its reputation as a "fast ship" this required larger fuel tanks, drives, and power plant, all size H. It has 3 quad lasers, one on top, one underneath, and one in a pop-up turrent next to the loading ramp, and controlled from the bridge Assume it is the overall Shape of the Millenial falcon, but make it bigger to equal 400 dtons. The rules for Star Wars ships and Traveller ships are somewhat different. Traveller ships tend to be more expensive that Star Wars ships, but Han won it in a high stakes card game, so it doesn't matter.Condottiere said:
Tom Kalbfus
Mongoose
I assumed they were pulse lasers. I never seen it fire a beam weapon or missiles. So the two bits of nonstandard tech are the quad pules lasers and the deflector shield, which is by itself more than half the cost of this starship. It is "owned" by an actor named "Harrison Ford" 2.0 from the artificial planet Magrethera, a copy of the Earth, the fiction starship was also copied, since the AI that constructed it, didn't know precisely how it work, it substituted the closest traveller tech in had available and adjusted the starship's size accordingly, the deflector shield was of its own design. The replicant Actor "Harrison Ford" somehow has knowledge of how to fly this starship, some of the fictional Han Solo's memories were mixed in with his own. Also there were two robots discovered onboard the starship, and gold-plated humanoid robot C3PO who Harrison Ford one time tried to unmask thinking it was Anthony Daniels, but it turned out to be a real robot, the other robot that looks sort of like a dome-topped trash can called R2D2 that beeps and whistles and only C3PO can translate. Harrison Ford has been unable to locate Chewbacca or even the actor who played him, he signed on another Actor "William Shatner" as his crewmate, who's "Enterprise" has yet to be found. The two are just copies of Actors that lived a long time ago. Harrison Ford has memories of having a broken leg which according to him has miraculously mended with no sign of it ever being broken, he is careful around the hydrolic lift ramp door of the Falcon however!wbnc said:
Tom Kalbfus
Mongoose
In the OTU, this ship is a rarity, quadruple turrets are not usually the norm, and black globe generators on private ships are unusual. As a merchant vessel this ship gives up cargo space for increased performance, usually the most expensive cargos are hauled in ships such as this. For a pirate, there is 100% profit in theft, so this sort of compensates for the limited cargo space of this starship. Of course "Captain Harrison" uses this starship to explore the neighboring systems around Magrethera, and he is likely to encounter a number of different races and civilizations. The Government of the "United States of Magrethera" hires this odd assortment of starships found on the planet's newly established starports, trying to figure out, just what's going on here!
ShawnDriscoll
Cosmic Mongoose
I lay a square grid over the thing and start counting 2 squares to a dton.
tolcreator
Mongoose
I make the Falcon to be about 135-150 tons in traveller terms, taking its length to be 26.7 meters.
The trouble is that the falcon makes little sense as a Traveller freighter: Cargo is too small, too many weapons (that are individually too small), etc.
You're probably best rounding it up to 200 tons, giving it 2 turrets, and saying that a stock YT1300 is probably a far trader type. The Falcon then sacrifices cargo space for bigger power plant, jump drive, sublight drive, and the fuel to make all that work. She'll struggle to justify her cost hauling freight, but she's a smuggling ship, hauling small but valuable items, avoiding Imperial Entanglements and with No Questions Asked.
The trouble is that the falcon makes little sense as a Traveller freighter: Cargo is too small, too many weapons (that are individually too small), etc.
You're probably best rounding it up to 200 tons, giving it 2 turrets, and saying that a stock YT1300 is probably a far trader type. The Falcon then sacrifices cargo space for bigger power plant, jump drive, sublight drive, and the fuel to make all that work. She'll struggle to justify her cost hauling freight, but she's a smuggling ship, hauling small but valuable items, avoiding Imperial Entanglements and with No Questions Asked.
Reynard
Emperor Mongoose
From other sources, the Falcon (a modified cargo transport or 'trader' not a corsair) had the two turrets with maxed out pulse lasers (a triple turret) and a fixed forward concussion missile launcher, essentially standard Traveller missiles. Han and Chewie heavily modified the Quads so give them Accurate and High Yield as they could hit and destroy TIE fighters. It also had a remote pop-up turret for the anti-personnel weapon. In Traveller terms, it would be a machinegun of a sort as it was very small in the movie and seemed more suppressive than dangerous to the armored troopers. I considered this since Traveller doesn't have a very small rapid fire energy weapon.
If you're making a Traveller equivalent, don't worry about screens as only larger capital ships carry those. All ships and craft in Star Wars have shield, Traveller doesn't. The Falcon wasn't that powerful compared to the actual fighting ships and the crew wasn't ever that rich to afford the very best. Remember a lot of things being attributed to the hardware of the Falcon was actually the skills of the crew.
As to the size, this site has a good deckplan of the MF with the grid being 1.5m on a side.
https://milleniumfalcondecklayout.wordpress.com/
Looking at a myriad of interior photos the height seems to be around 3m or two squares tall. The 'mandibles' and cockpit will add extra displacement but one can get a reasonable Traveller size.
If you're making a Traveller equivalent, don't worry about screens as only larger capital ships carry those. All ships and craft in Star Wars have shield, Traveller doesn't. The Falcon wasn't that powerful compared to the actual fighting ships and the crew wasn't ever that rich to afford the very best. Remember a lot of things being attributed to the hardware of the Falcon was actually the skills of the crew.
As to the size, this site has a good deckplan of the MF with the grid being 1.5m on a side.
https://milleniumfalcondecklayout.wordpress.com/
Looking at a myriad of interior photos the height seems to be around 3m or two squares tall. The 'mandibles' and cockpit will add extra displacement but one can get a reasonable Traveller size.
Reynard
Emperor Mongoose
Right, I'm seeing two references for dimensions for the Falcon. Many state a radius of about 13.5 meters and that deckplan I list has 20 meters. Respectively I get 170 dtons and 372 dtons without adding in the cockpit and mandible sections but could add a rounding 30 dtons or 200 and 400 dtons. I can rightly say Tom wants the higher number.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Having the pilot cabin being a bullseye doesn't help.
Though, by that logic, it can't be fun for an X-Wing pilot when someone manages to be in a position for a rear shot.
Though, by that logic, it can't be fun for an X-Wing pilot when someone manages to be in a position for a rear shot.
Tom Kalbfus
Mongoose
This is my latest on the stats for the Millenium Falcon Using the rules for Mongoose Traveller, and adding in my own for the deflector shield and the quad turrets which I extrapolated from the current table:
This Millenium Falcon is 48 meters by 48 meters and 3 meters tall, not including the landing gear. I counted the squares and by my estimate it has a 400 ton hull. The colors of the squares indicate the portion of the ship with engines, fuels tanks, staterooms etc.
This Millenium Falcon is 48 meters by 48 meters and 3 meters tall, not including the landing gear. I counted the squares and by my estimate it has a 400 ton hull. The colors of the squares indicate the portion of the ship with engines, fuels tanks, staterooms etc.
