Matching the Show - Ideas Wanted!
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l33tpenguin
Mongoose
"Inertial Strafing Run"
CQ: 6 <-- idk, picked that at random
Requirements: Ship capable of making 2 turns during the movement phase.
Performing this special action allows a maneuverable ship to fire on a target with its forward weapons without changing course to face the opposing ship. At the end of its movement, the ship using this special action must have at least 1 turn left and the target ship must be within range of the attacking ships front weapons while being in an arc other than its front. If the CQ is successful, the attacking ship may use its last turn to face its target. On the attacking ships following movement, it must again successfully pass the CQ for the action. If the check succeeds, the ship may use its first turn to reorient itself to its original direction. If the check fails, the ship does not reorient, and must move as regular on its current heading.
Anyway, its a draft...
CQ: 6 <-- idk, picked that at random
Requirements: Ship capable of making 2 turns during the movement phase.
Performing this special action allows a maneuverable ship to fire on a target with its forward weapons without changing course to face the opposing ship. At the end of its movement, the ship using this special action must have at least 1 turn left and the target ship must be within range of the attacking ships front weapons while being in an arc other than its front. If the CQ is successful, the attacking ship may use its last turn to face its target. On the attacking ships following movement, it must again successfully pass the CQ for the action. If the check succeeds, the ship may use its first turn to reorient itself to its original direction. If the check fails, the ship does not reorient, and must move as regular on its current heading.
Anyway, its a draft...
Morpheus1975
Mongoose
Lord David the Denied said:
The idea I originally proposed I forgot to include that the "slide" for agile ships would allow them, upon successfully doing a crew skill roll, to fire immediately after movement and before the combat phase seperate from initiative.
This might give the white star too much power or for some make the ship more balanced. Depends on you POV.
If your going to include the slide, I would insist on the weapons in any arc the ship passed through being able to fire. It makes just as much sense, and we see the side guns of the Omega X firing at the whitestars as they fly by, frankly makes more sense than the slide.
Ripple
Ripple
Shadow ships vs fighters...
yes we only see one ship kill 6 fighters... but when do you ever see any ship kill dozens of fighters? We certainly do that in the game.
The shadow ship seem to be very deadly to fighters in comparison to all other ships we see on screen. Hardly what we see now.
Ripple
yes we only see one ship kill 6 fighters... but when do you ever see any ship kill dozens of fighters? We certainly do that in the game.
The shadow ship seem to be very deadly to fighters in comparison to all other ships we see on screen. Hardly what we see now.
Ripple
l33tpenguin
Mongoose
Ripple said:
I don't think fighters ever 'dodge' a slicer beam. they just go *pop*pop*pop*pop* rather quickly.
Using the analogy that the white star was supposed to be a 'shadow killer' thus giving the shadows accurate on their baem and negating the white stars ability to dodge is a little incorrect in thinking, in my opinion. Given what was known about the shadows, making the white star super agile and able to dodge wouldn't have mattered.
If you were making a ship to fight an enemy that, as far as you knew, never missed why would you use 'dodge' as a methode of survivability? Their adaptable armour would be the logical choice for defense against the shadows. You KNOW you are going to get hit, because your enemy never misses, so find the best possible way to negate the damage you are going to take.
The Shadows weild their slicer beams with deadly accuracy (I mean, seriously, popping fighters that are a dozen meters in width using a beam weapon of that magnatude is HIGHLY accurate). The white star's dodge ability is just a spin off of its speed and manuverability. I don't think it would be considered a defense against the shadows.
If one literally has the option to trade the slicer beam for an equivalent quantity of AAF, then turreted comes as standard.....
Other requests - a selection of older personalities to be resurrected in 2nd edition. At the moment we're relatively limited.
Specific request - Elite fighter wings. At the moment the only way to field a fighter wing that's a cut above normal is to buy a 'Top Gun' admiral. Which therefore usually involves fielding a supercarrier-type ship and taking the better part of a dozen flights. Since there's no individual variation between flights, it's impossible to have a carrier's 'ace' group. I know that there were options for Jeffrey Sinclair and Alpha Flight at one point.
Also - q-ships/fire ships for freighter scenarios. Admittedly, there's the raider modified freighter, but going "surprise! I've actually got a plasma can..." BANG! "oh...." doesn't really have the same feel to it on the grounds that two irritated narns with spacesuits and baseball bats can take out a raider modified freighter.
Something like the Masked Malice rigged tankers might be a better option.
armbarred said:
We came up with:
"Co-ordinate Fire", Crew Quality Check 8
In the heat of battle a senior officer can sometimes see beyond the individual engagements and understand the big picture. They order the nearby ships to follow their lead and target a vital target in the enemy fleet.
Effect: If a Ship with the Command trait successfully makes the CQ check for this Special Action, they order all ships within 6" to act as a Squadron for the purposes of firing. The ship executing the order and All friendly ships within 6" of the command ship must fire at the designated target fighter, ship or station and may not fire at any other target this turn. If the Ship loses the Command trait, or is skeleton crewed or destroyed, the effects of this Special Order are immediately lost.
TGT said:
re Accurate - still the problem with White Stars? Prefer the AAF conversion ability mentioned by Ripple.
Shadow fighters - yeah 4 flights would be tolerable if they stay as they are...........prefer they keep / or even drop the shields and just give them decent range...........
Why not have it that the Accurate trait, instead of ignoring the Dodge trait, imposes a penalty to the Dodge trait? Maybe bumping it up to 6+ This would mean that the Shadows - or any ship with the Accurate Trait - would still have an increased chance of hitting White Stars, fighters etc... but the ship with Dodge could still have a chance - albeit a small one - of avoiding the hit! 8)
Has anyone considered Shadow Scream as being an area effect around the shadow vessel , say 6" or 8", where the enemy ships must take a crew quality test or be stopped for a turn (while the crew recover), and if there are telepaths onboard a +2 or 3 towards counteracting this. I would even say the shadows should take a test to do this in the first place.
Just a though...
Just a though...
TenaciousB
Mongoose
It's been a while since I saw the show (travesty, I know!), but do we see ships going backwards? I seem to remember a Vorlon ship going backwards or something like that.
Why not introduce a special action for moving backwards? CQ 9, no turns, up to half speed backwards? Could be advantageous to some fleets.
Why not introduce a special action for moving backwards? CQ 9, no turns, up to half speed backwards? Could be advantageous to some fleets.
TGT said:
the only thing is the Liati was designed to kill white stars (probably with Drakh assistance)
of the Elder races Presently neither the Vorlons or the Minbari have accurate on their ships - Drakh do and Shadows do.........
The Shadow Scout presently serves this role well - very very well
IMHO Ripple's idea of AAF dice from the beam would be better..........
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