Life Support Costs for the Augumented

[Cryton]

My mercinary game has taken an interesting turn, and my players are looking into augumented troops for their mercinary cruiser, however the cost effect of augumented troops is not covered in either the sections on auguments , not in lifesupport costs sections of any of the books. I could use some advice.

So, as a marine with the Soldier Organ Package now has a 6000 calorie intake instead of the standard human 1800, what do you charge for monthly life support for him?

And how about for the FBR augument? Hes got a 10 000 calorie intake ,but dosnt breath. What should be charged for him?

And how about for the guy with the 15 000 calorie diet because hes gotten a Bio-Fusion Power Port augument? Or the guy with only an Improved Combat Arm, and its additional 1000 calorie requirement beyond the normal 1800?

Any ideas?

 

[rust]

To keep it simple, you could just add a number of Credits for each 2,000
calories above the average human need of 2,000 calories. Without having
really thought it through, I think any sum between 250 Credits and 500
Credits would be acceptable.

If we take 500 Credits for the example, someone who needs 4,000 calo-
ries would have to pay an additional 500 Credits for life support, some-
one who needs 6,000 calories would have to pay 1,000 Credits, someone
who needs 8,000 calories would have to pay 1,500 Credits, and so on.

 

[Cryton]

What about the Full Body replacement guy? He dosnt need lifesupport other than the 10 000 calorie diet, as he dosnt breath or sleep.

 

[rust]

What about the Full Body replacement guy? He dosnt need lifesupport other than the 10 000 calorie diet, as he dosnt breath or sleep.

To continue the example above, I would let him pay the additional 2,000
Credits for the 10,000 calories and ignore the fact that he does not breath.

What he saves by using no air has to be spent on his special high caloric
diet, which has to be of a different kind than normal food, because other-
wise he would have to take in a truly enormous mass and volume of food.

If he does not like that, tell him that by Imperial Law he is a robot and has
to be stored in the cargo hold - deactivated, of course. :twisted:

 

[BP]

Interesting - were does one find these augments of which you speak?

Like rust, using the average diet of 2,000 calories (what is on my food labels - U.S.) I'd do the simple multiples of 2,000 thing.

Which in a game is also how I would state them anyway - i.e. 3x normal consumption...

Besides not needing air - the lack of sleep brings up the issue that a stateroom may not be needed at all - so ignore the regular amounts entirely and focus just on food stuffs. (Though waste products - especially of copious intake could be an issue - if dumped near the wrong space lanes )

 

[Cryton]

They are in the central supply catalog.

Oh, and Rust, you might be supprised at how little food 10000 calories can be if your eating fast food. :twisted:

 

[rust]

Oh, and Rust, you might be supprised at how little food 10000 calories can be if your eating fast food. :twisted:

18.52 McD Big Macs, for example. 8)

 

[Cryton]

Actually the 500cr per week for a 2000 cal diet works according to the cost of living for Meals in the CSP.

Thanx guys

 

[Cryton]

Oh, and Rust, you might be supprised at how little food 10000 calories can be if your eating fast food. :twisted:

18.52 McD Big Macs, for example. 8)

Lets not even touch the 1360 cals of a 1lb Polska Kielbasa, or the 1040cla on a 2l bottle of soda.

Any ideas as to how much cargo I should make em use up for the extra food stores?

 

[BP]

They are in the central supply catalog.

Ah - thanks!

Quick look and didn't see the calorie intakes listed for some of those, but the ones I did - like the Bio-Fusion Power Port - implied the intake would not be all the time...

For 6,000 calories I was picturing something like this

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  (@ 242 calories each, it comes up a little short, but figure they can eat the wrapper...)

Several weeks of that would fit in a small duffel pretty easy - more if one switches to gummy bears!

 

[Cryton]

They are in the central supply catalog.

Ah - thanks!

Quick look and didn't see the calorie intakes listed for some of those, but the ones I did - like the Bio-Fusion Power Port - implied the intake would not be all the time...

For 6,000 calories I was picturing something like this

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  (@ 242 calories each, it comes up a little short, but figure they can eat the wrapper...)

Several weeks of that would fit in a small duffel pretty easy - more if one switches to gummy bears!

Shudders at the thought of describing the scrawny, yet abnormaly strong and tough kid who eats a dozen of those dogs a meal and never seems to gain weight, but can somehow bench more than the average marine in battledress. (All due to his FBC ) And the horrified look on the ships stewards face as he calculates out the price of the skinny kids meal costs.

"CAPTAIN! HES EATING US OUT OF OUR PROFIT MARGIN!" :twisted:

 

[SSWarlock]

18.52 Big Macs..are you kidding?!?

Try that most wonderful of food stuffs..chocolate! Lots and lots of chocolate.

Or a finely marbled prime rib smothered with sauteed mushrooms and onions, a couple lobster tails with drawn butter, a couple of fully-loaded baked potatoes and a liter of Guinness to wash it all down. Add in an entire Dutch apple pie with lots of chocolate-drizzled butter vanilla ice cream on the side to fill those empty corners. Finish up with an after-dinner glass of fine Scotch Whiskey to aid one's digestion.

Yeah, I can see an increase in food costs for someone with a full body replacement. Of course, if they have the cash and contacts needed to get a full body replacement, I'm sure they can hire one heck of a personal chef.

 

[Cryton]

18.52 Big Macs..are you kidding?!?

Try that most wonderful of food stuffs..chocolate! Lots and lots of chocolate.

Or a finely marbled prime rib smothered with sauteed mushrooms and onions, a couple lobster tails with drawn butter, a couple of fully-loaded baked potatoes and a liter of Guinness to wash it all down. Add in an entire Dutch apple pie with lots of chocolate-drizzled butter vanilla ice cream on the side to fill those empty corners. Finish up with an after-dinner glass of fine Scotch Whiskey to aid one's digestion.

Yeah, I can see an increase in food costs for someone with a full body replacement. Of course, if they have the cash and contacts needed to get a full body replacement, I'm sure they can hire one heck of a personal chef.

You are a man after my own heart.

Still gonna scare the heck out of the ships steward though. LOL 8)

 

[rinku]

If they're the types that will go for full body replacements, they can deal with vat grown protein sludge. Just attach a hose to their abdominal processing chamber's inlet valve and turn on the tap*. Mmmmm. (They can always push their "taste simulator" button if they're pining for their old meatbag bodies. Wimps.)

The normal life support costs suggest Cr1000 per month per person and Cr1000 per stateroom. The former would include food, water use and other individual consumable costs, while the latter would include heating, lighting, gravity and other shared consumable costs.

What the costs are going to run to depends on how luxurious you are allowing for. If morale dictates good quality normal food, go with Cr0.5 per calorie required, same as for passengers. If they are able to cope with field rations or some hightech equivalent (and as mentioned above, this may not involve tastebuds or gullets) the cost might be a fraction of this. Shipping them in low berths is the cheapest option - presumably they have kick-ass Endurance stats and you will have good medical techs employed anyway.

(*Disconnecting the lungs from the stomach is a very sensible idea. Greatly reduces choking hazards and allows you to intake scientifically optimised food that has no need of flavour additives. Blenders are so much more efficient than teeth...)

Edit: Just had a look at the gadgets in question. I think that the 6000 calorie cost for soldier organs specifically only applies if they are running without sleep. Under normal circumstances they have normal life support costs. Likewise, the Bio-Fusion port can be left uncharged when not needed, again allowing normal life support costs. The full body replacement (your unit is running at TL18?) is effectively a robot. Ignore normal life support costs and just work out the cost of biofuel. Which is probably some kind of super compressed peat brick. Yum.

Edit2: Just realised what the soldier organ package is. It's been ripped wholesale out of Warhammer 40K's Space Marines. Several of the other enhancements are taken from the list of SM enhancements too (Venom Glands spring to mind). Consider my bugbear bugged

 

[Egil Skallagrimsson]

My mercinary game has taken an interesting turn, and my players are looking into augumented troops for their mercinary cruiser, however the cost effect of augumented troops is not covered in either the sections on auguments , not in lifesupport costs sections of any of the books. I could use some advice.

So, as a marine with the Soldier Organ Package now has a 6000 calorie intake instead of the standard human 1800, what do you charge for monthly life support for him?

And how about for the FBR augument? Hes got a 10 000 calorie intake ,but dosnt breath. What should be charged for him?

And how about for the guy with the 15 000 calorie diet because hes gotten a Bio-Fusion Power Port augument? Or the guy with only an Improved Combat Arm, and its additional 1000 calorie requirement beyond the normal 1800?

Any ideas?

Low berths.

Egil

 

[Captain Jonah]

Well it may have enough calories but do you realy want to be on a troop ship in a baracks with a platoon of cyborgs on a frankfurter and chocolate diet for week after week.

 

[kristof65]

18.52 Big Macs..are you kidding?!?

Or just under 10 Carl's Junior Six Dollar Guacamole Bacon Burgers - 1040 calories each.

Three meals consisting of three of those burgers and a soda each day, and you're at 10,000 calories easy.

 

[Lord High Munchkin]

Or a lard buttie (white bread, of course) washed down with a mug of cooking oil. They probably had their taste buds removed too.

 

[rust]

Any ideas as to how much cargo I should make em use up for the extra food stores?

Taking a look at MGT Adventure 1: Beltstrike, there 150 person-weeks of
life support supplies and equipment consume 1 dton of cargo space at a
cost of 150,000 Credits. This includes rations (generally dried), air, wa-
ter and waste treatment/recycling.