Dave Chase
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captainjack23 said:
I was thinking more along the lines of that werid B5 couple. You know the Narn and the Centuri.
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I was thinking more along the lines of that werid B5 couple. You know the Narn and the Centuri.
:lol: :roll:
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captainjack23
Cosmic Mongoose
Dave Chase said:
Dibs on the.....hmmmmm. How bout the....
hmmm.
Okay, Kosh.
"The fish is too dark to be voted on."
captainjack23
Cosmic Mongoose
AndrewW said:
"The assignment has begun. It is too late for the options to vote"
Sturn said:I think the moderators should put a sticky thread up top named "EDG vs. the Captain". Then, when they go at each other with their verbal baseball bats they can jump over to their own thread and swing away without knocking another thread out of the park.
Given the frequent commentary and heckling from the peanut gallery that you provide whenever me and jack argue, you're not really one to talk. Your sarcastic observations from the sidelines aren't helping anything - I would suggest that if you find it so disruptive, don't join in and make it worse.
It's got way beyond the point where Mongoose should lock or delete this thread. They got their answer, it serves no further purpose by being here.
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This discussion doesn't have to fly off to extremes. It isn't PC fanatics versus Racist apologists or whatever. It is not a crusade or an iconic statement to pick one.
When I first encountered 2300AD I passed on it. I didn't have a nerdrage fit, get into a discussion on racism or even think about it in too much depth. I read a blurb, thought "colonial powers in space, gunning down primative Kafers, huh?" and just looked at the next thing on the shelf.
Without knowing much about the game I had no emotional attachment or even a context to determine if it was the movie aliens or a thinly veiled Zulu parody. It may have been genius, it may have been RaHoWa or FATAL for all I knew.
Years later I read up on it and it looked like a cool game. It was no longer on sale however. It lost a sale because before the game had attracted my attention in a possitive way the similarity in name and imagery put a negative association there. It didn't make me decide the game was racist or that Kafer did equal Kaffir or anything like that, but it didn't have to.
Not every arguement on the internet has to run screaming for either extreme of the spectrum. Not every opinion someone has shows they are a moron/reactionary or anything like it.
Mongoose are a company. This is their livelyhood. They should take a look at the idea that a negative image may cost them sales. And they should be able to discuss it without this extremist nonsense.
I didn't buy it when I first saw it, not because I thought it was racist, but partly because I thought it might be and the game hadn't excited me enough to bother finding out. Knowing what I know now the idea seems daft. But at the time, when I was in the same position potential new customers will be in, it seemed plausible.
Now having presented my experience, if Mongoose determine that it is a minority view and not likely today/for most people/whatever that's fine. I'm providing a data point, not an arguement, nor a declaration of my wishes.
While it takes a long post to explain all this, in realtime it was a split second gut reaction, not a planned out PC assault on reason. I have no problems with people who looked at it and didn't make this connection.
I'm taking this arguement back to the middle ground where it belongs! Dammit!
When I first encountered 2300AD I passed on it. I didn't have a nerdrage fit, get into a discussion on racism or even think about it in too much depth. I read a blurb, thought "colonial powers in space, gunning down primative Kafers, huh?" and just looked at the next thing on the shelf.
Without knowing much about the game I had no emotional attachment or even a context to determine if it was the movie aliens or a thinly veiled Zulu parody. It may have been genius, it may have been RaHoWa or FATAL for all I knew.
Years later I read up on it and it looked like a cool game. It was no longer on sale however. It lost a sale because before the game had attracted my attention in a possitive way the similarity in name and imagery put a negative association there. It didn't make me decide the game was racist or that Kafer did equal Kaffir or anything like that, but it didn't have to.
Not every arguement on the internet has to run screaming for either extreme of the spectrum. Not every opinion someone has shows they are a moron/reactionary or anything like it.
Mongoose are a company. This is their livelyhood. They should take a look at the idea that a negative image may cost them sales. And they should be able to discuss it without this extremist nonsense.
I didn't buy it when I first saw it, not because I thought it was racist, but partly because I thought it might be and the game hadn't excited me enough to bother finding out. Knowing what I know now the idea seems daft. But at the time, when I was in the same position potential new customers will be in, it seemed plausible.
Now having presented my experience, if Mongoose determine that it is a minority view and not likely today/for most people/whatever that's fine. I'm providing a data point, not an arguement, nor a declaration of my wishes.
While it takes a long post to explain all this, in realtime it was a split second gut reaction, not a planned out PC assault on reason. I have no problems with people who looked at it and didn't make this connection.
I'm taking this arguement back to the middle ground where it belongs! Dammit!
I know what you mean. It happens to me with games that have a bit tooTathlum said:
much "gunporn" on the cover (half-naked woman, guy with big gun ...),
my first reaction is to put it back and forget about it, without even reading
the cover text.
So, yes, Mongoose knows the market for their games much better than I
do, and if they see a problem, they should act accordingly.
In my view, as mentioned, the German original "Käfer" would be quite suf-
ficient to solve the problem, but fortunately it is not my decision.
Which brings me back to my view, of being very interested in seeing 2300ad return under it's own cover again, tied to the MGT rules as well. Though there were a lot of fun things about the generation system (WTF do you mean my guy is FAT?).
That could all transfer over as well. Toss in the german double dot thingie ( the germans came up with some interesting alphabet tricks), and poof, all is fixed.
Until then, I need to get some popcorn to watch this titanic brawl between EDG and The Captain, :twisted: .....
~Rex
That could all transfer over as well. Toss in the german double dot thingie ( the germans came up with some interesting alphabet tricks), and poof, all is fixed.
Until then, I need to get some popcorn to watch this titanic brawl between EDG and The Captain, :twisted: .....
~Rex
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