Interesting info re: prepaints

[emperorpenguin]

Just saw this over on Warseer


http://warseer.com/forums/science-f...68-rackham-s-non-prepainted-at-43-resins.html

Rackham will be selling unpainted resin AT-43 models

Would this be a good idea for SST?

 

[Hiromoon]

Given that they're going to continue to produce the current range of unpainted models until demand tells them to stop?

 

[Demand]

Given that they're going to continue to produce the current range of unpainted models until demand tells them to stop?

I hereby tell them to stop.......... :lol:

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

Hmmm....

Last time I checked, I was excoriated in these same forums for saying that pre-paints were a "fad," that they wouldn't last, that quality would never be on par with all but novice painters, and that it was pure folly to ignore the "hobby" aspect of gaming.

Just an FYI.

*smiles smugly and chokes back the urge to scream "I TOLD YA!!!"*

Regards.

 

[Paladin]

Given that they're going to continue to produce the current range of unpainted models until demand tells them to stop?

I hereby tell them to stop.......... :lol:

Whoever did that, it was worth the registration. :lol:

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

Hmmm....

Last time I checked, I was excoriated in these same forums for saying that pre-paints were a "fad," that they wouldn't last, that quality would never be on par with all but novice painters, and that it was pure folly to ignore the "hobby" aspect of gaming.

Just an FYI.

*smiles smugly and chokes back the urge to scream "I TOLD YA!!!"*

Regards.

Well, it depends on whether they're going to keep producing the Pre-paints as well...

 

[tnjrp]

Obviously Rackham hasn't at any point said they are going to lay off prepaints.

 

[Kill Em All]

Given that they're going to continue to produce the current range of unpainted models until demand tells them to stop?

Do we know this to be absolutely true? If so, it would make my day.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

Superb, doesn't this smack of Rackham making sure they have a backup plan 'in case' the pre-paints go horribly wrong!

Or maybe a way of backing down in the future without losing too much face perhaps . . . . . .

 

[lt.harper]

Thank you god! Finely there going to have unassembed unpainted AT-43.
Yep, this day gets better and better.

 

[Rabidchild]

Rackham said from the start that they were going to release unpainted versions of their prepaints, so while it's not surprising, it is nice to finally see. I actually like the way the unpainted resin models look better than the prepaints. I thought they would be exactly the same, +/- the paintjob but I guess not.

 

[tnjrp]

Superb, doesn't this smack of Rackham making sure they have a backup plan 'in case' the pre-paints go horribly wrong!

Sure, the same way as GW has Forge World to fall back on in case something goes horribly wrong...

Rackham originally projected selling exactly the unpainted version of their prepainted plastics, most likely meaning unassembled plastic sprues. This plan was shelved almost at the get-go, at least for the time being. These minis OTOH are going to be done by their version of Forge World. Probably they've been completely resculpted, given that the production process is rather different and all.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

Sure, the same way as GW has Forge World to fall back on in case something goes horribly wrong

Your point is spurious at best.

Forgeworld DON'T produce models from existing GW ranges, only Varients.

If the GW parent company then produces a 'Store Bought' version of an existing Forgeworld product (as in the case of the Tau Sky Ray) Forgeworld ceases production.

Producing Resin versions of existing products smacks of either desperation to raise the profile of the game, or maybe a way of saving face in the long run.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

It's likely covering their bases - It's not like they're gambling on there being a market for non painted SF minis here.

 

[MaxSteiner]

Id say if anything it smacks of a company keeping its promises .
And even if it isn't its nothing more than a simple case of adding value to an existing product, and supply an existing demand.
Prepaints = Standard offering
Unpainted Resin = Premium product.
They've pulled a flip mode reversal on the whole thing, but it doesn't really imply much else.

Beside which, resins pretty much the standard medium for french miniatures isnt it?

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

Id say if anything it smacks of a company keeping its promises

Max, I never thought you would fall victim to wishful thinking!

 

[tnjrp]

Your point is spurious at best [...] Producing Resin versions of existing products smacks of either desperation to raise the profile of the game, or maybe a way of saving face in the long run

I was thinking that by "prepaints going horribly wrong" you meant "they've made a plunder in the company killing scale".

But since it only means "loosing face" after the game doesn't achieve the projected level of "product profile" I must admit you might have a kind of point there, even if it's one coloured by your expectations of more or less total failure.

Not that I believe for a second that either of us know what kind of "product profile" they are aiming for.

Most of Fire Industries' preview producst have been similar offerings to those of Forge World, BTW. Who knows if they are switching gears, but it's highly unlikely their products are directly expected to compete with Rackham's even if the subject matter is very closely related.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

With regards to Rackham -

They are no longer producing metal minis (last wave was the September release in french, we may have them a month later in English speaking countries thougth), they are still selling their remaining metal minis but all of the references are disapearing one by one.

They are making special offers on a lot of miniatures on their website for all armies, around half of the whole range. They have even stooped to selling their catalogue of painted models.

Rackham is under “legal protection,” which is how they say Chapter 11 in Europe. This safeguard procedure was inspired in part by US Chapter 11 and is available in circumstances where a company is solvent, on a cash flow basis, but can demonstrate to the court that it is undergoing difficulties which it is not in a position to overcome and which are likely to lead to the company’s insolvency. The aim of the safeguard procedure is to facilitate a reorganisation plan for a company in order to ensure the continuation of its business, the maintenance of employment and adjustment of its liabilities. Safeguard is a court driven process and court appointed officials supervise the development of the reorganisation plan.

Theres a whole press release about it http://www.rackham.fr/pdf_corporate/Sauvegarde.pdf

Their Share Price keeps falling, its so low now its making GW look good!

If you believe this is a good example of a healthy company that makes good business decisions - that really is INCREDIBLY dumb.

To be honest, the one big advantage they had was the beauty of their miniatures. They, for some reason, decided to abandon that, and it looks like its doing serious damage.

I just hope someone somewhere with a brain buys the rights to regular Confrontation, along with the moulds, recruits their sculptors, and then carries the whole thing on. Because at the end of the day its a highly enjoyable game played with incredibly beautiful miniatures.

 

[Hiromoon]

Given that they're going to continue to produce the current range of unpainted models until demand tells them to stop?

Do we know this to be absolutely true? If so, it would make my day.

We (as in just me I suppose, since I'm apparently the only one who remembers this crap) heard from Matt stating as much, since there was such a big outcry when Pre-Paints were announced.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

We (as in just me I suppose, since I'm apparently the only one who remembers this crap) heard from Matt stating as much, since there was such a big outcry when Pre-Paints were announced.

No, not just you - I remember that too . . . . .