Hyborian Map included With 2E Core Book?

[Twin Agate Dragons]

As many of you know, I'm just starting to get into Conan. I'm curious if this map is included with the 2E rulebook.

If it isn't, is it available in any of the current of the current books?

 

[Hervé]

No. This map was included in the first/Atlantean editions. The new map is slightly different. For a more accurate vision, be sure to check Vincent Darlages's maps in the Maps section of Thulsa's site, hyboria.xoth.

http://hyboria.xoth.net/index.htm

 

[The King]

The map was included with the screen for 1st edition. I'm suprised why Mongoose didn't publish a new one ('cause I thing this one is OOP).

 

[VincentDarlage]

My copy of the 2e rules has that map in it. However, there are a lot of problems with that map.

Here are some starters:
A. Khauran is missing a river and has mountains too close to it.
B. Stygia is too small.
C. The Black Kingdoms are too small.
D. Aquilonia is too big & Nemedia is too small.
E. There are two Karpash Mountain ranges (there should be one)
F. Khitai is in a temperate zone.
G. Kosala is on the wrong side of Vendhya.
H. Pathenia is too far north (it should be where Mongolia would be)
I. Kush is the wrong shape.
J. The southern desert is too small.
K. There is no Atlaia or Amazon (REH said both exist there)
L. Keshan is on the wrong side of the Styx.
M. Zamora is the wrong shape.
N. Rabiran Mountains are placed wrong.
O. Goralian Hills should be in Aquilonia, not Cimmeria.
P. Hyperborea is too big.
Q. Brythunia is the wrong shape.
R. Mu? Why is that in the corner?
S. Lake Zuad is in Stygia, not Kush.
T. Sukhmet borders Darfar, not Kush.
U. Taian Mountains (at corner of Styx) are too massive.
V. Vendhya is placed wrong.
W. Uttara Kuru is in the wrong place.
X. Kordufan (mentioned by Howard) is not on the map.
Y. Korvela is too far north.
Z. Ilbars River is incorrectly placed.
AA. Zaporoska River is horribly misplaced.
BB. Hyrkania does not reach the eastern shore as it should.
CC. Where are the Golden Kingdoms on that map?
DD. Black Coast is too short.
EE. Southern Isles too far north.
FF. Zamboula is WAY too far north.
GG. Haunted pyramids should be in Stygia.
HH. Shadizar in the wrong place.
II. Plain of Pallos should be in Argos, not Zingara.
JJ. Border Range too far east.
KK. Kothian Desert should be smaller and at the southern point of Corinthia.
LL. Trallibes should be on the other side of the Barachan Isles.
MM. Kharamun Desert too far north.
NN. If Tombalku really were that close to the Zarkheba, then Conan and Belit must have gone past it on the way to the ruins where Belit died. That seems unlikely.
OO. Jeluba River completely misplaced - should be around Tombalku, not in Stygia.

and so on...

Interestingly, the Return to the Road of Kings has a new map which fixes a lot of those errors - and puts in a whole bunch of brand new errors to replace them... but that is another story.

 

[PrinceYyrkoon]

There are a lot of problems with that map.

Here are some starters:
A. Khauran is missing a river and has mountains too close to it.
B. Stygia is too small.
C. The Black Kingdoms are too small.
D. Aquilonia is too big & Nemedia is too small.
E. There are two Karpash Mountain ranges (there should be one)
F. Khitai is in a temperate zone.
G. Kosala is on the wrong side of Vendhya.
H. Pathenia is too far north (it should be where Mongolia would be)
I. Kush is the wrong shape.
J. The southern desert is too small.
K. There is no Atlaia or Amazon (REH said both exist there)
L. Keshan is on the wrong side of the Styx.
M. Zamora is the wrong shape.
N. Rabiran Mountains are placed wrong.
O. Goralian Hills should be in Aquilonia, not Cimmeria.
P. Hyperborea is too big.
Q. Brythunia is the wrong shape.
R. Mu? Why is that in the corner?
S. Lake Zuad is in Stygia, not Kush.
T. Sukhmet borders Darfar, not Kush.
U. Taian Mountains (at corner of Styx) are too massive.
V. Vendhya is placed wrong.
W. Uttara Kuru is in the wrong place.
X. Kordufan (mentioned by Howard) is not on the map.
Y. Korvela is too far north.
Z. Ilbars River is incorrectly placed.
AA. Zaporoska River is horribly misplaced.
BB. Hyrkania does not reach the eastern shore as it should.
CC. Where are the Golden Kingdoms on that map?
DD. Black Coast is too short.
EE. Southern Isles too far north.
FF. Zamboula is WAY too far north.
GG. Haunted pyramids are in Stygia.
HH. Shadizar in the wrong place.

and so on...

Nit Picker.

 

[David St-Michel]

...And I just ordered my GM screen from the 1st edition specifically to get the map.

...Crap. More money thrown out my window.

 

[flatscan]

...And I just ordered my GM screen from the 1st edition specifically to get the map.

...Crap. More money thrown out my window.

Well, don't take it too badly. Yes, there are a ton of inaccuracies with that particular map, but I've successfully used it in my game for 3 years now. Besides, the only people that probably had a map of the Thurian continent during the Hyborian Age were sorcerers anyhow. And who says the information gathered from demons or sorcery has to be 100% accurate? A clever GM could use the discrepancies to their advantage.

 

[David St-Michel]

...So I have to be clever now.

...crap.

 

[The King]

There are a lot of problems with that map.

May be but it's better than naught, especially when it is the only big map available.

 

[Twin Agate Dragons]

So it looks to me like I'm going to have to have largeformatposter.com print me out a 24x36 of the map. It's close $50, but what the hey; it's a damn beautiful map.

Can't wait to get it framed and hang it on my wall. 8)

 

[Jacek]

There are a lot of problems with that map.

Here are some starters:
(...)
and so on...

Oh, my. Could you post the complete list, pretty please? Sounds like a good read :wink:

Cant wait to get it framed and hang it on my wall.

Wouldn't it be better to have it rolled up and spread it open on the floor only when some major events in the world were being discussed or while traveling. As the matter of fact those are the only occasions when the "big picture" is needed for normally any character lives in a micro-scale.

 

[flatscan]

I use that map with tags marking the PCs progression in the campaign. If I had a copy with notes of errors I'd probably attempt to correct it. :?

 

[Twin Agate Dragons]

Wouldn't it be better to have it rolled up and spread it open on the floor only when some major events in the world were being discussed or while traveling. As the matter of fact those are the only occasions when the "big picture" is needed for normally any character lives in a micro-scale.

I plan on printing out a greyscale version of the map for campaigning purposes.

 

[Jacek]

I use that map with tags marking the PCs progression in the campaign.

Nice idea. I guess I'll finally take a look at that campaign of yours.

I plan on printing out a greyscale version of the map for campaigning purposes.

That would certainly suffice IMO. I second flatscan's opinion that regular adventurers wouldn't know the shape of the world. Therefore allowing them to have a clear view of the world during entire gaming sessions spoils the effect of the great world out there. But suit yourself. Just enjoy the game 8)

 

[VincentDarlage]

Oh, my. Could you post the complete list, pretty please? Sounds like a good read :wink:

Compare that map to this one I made. That is easier than typing in the entire list.

The map I made isn't the prettiest thing, but with one exception, it is more accurate. I am sending thulsa a corrected map, so hopefully he puts that up soon (Punt and Keshan should be switched around - I have it correct on the close up regional maps, so I don't know how I goofed on the large one. Punt should be east of Keshan).

These maps are based on the best scholarly research on the Hyborian age world by the renowned Howard scholar Dale Rippke, author of the Hyborian Heresies and the Cartographic Curiosities of the Hyborian Age.

One of these days, I hope an actual artist draws up those maps and makes them all pretty and useful. And correct.

Here is another one.

If you want them without borders so you can make your own to reflect changes in your campaigns, then you can get them here and there.

 

[Jacek]

Compare that map to this one I made. That is easier than typing in the entire list.

...but easier to find all the differences just by comparing two images. I always sucked at that Seriously though, I admire your work, Vincent. Tried to prepare one by myself but I'm a lousy artist.

By the way thanks for pointing out Mr. Rippke's work. I never knew it existed. I guess I'll have to look for it.

 

[VincentDarlage]

So it looks to me like I'm going to have to have largeformatposter.com print me out a 24x36 of the map. It's close $50, but what the hey; it's a damn beautiful map.

Can't wait to get it framed and hang it on my wall. 8)

You'd pay that much for an incorrect map? I'm impressed. Seriously, just buy the GM's screen on eBay for a lot less and just get the poster. I have to agree, it is a beautiful map, despite its flaws.

 

[VincentDarlage]

By the way thanks for pointing out Mr. Rippke's work. I never knew it existed. I guess I'll have to look for it.

His work belongs on any Conan fan's shelf. Some of his points are speculative, but that is what I like about it. He did his research and I am impressed with his work. I met him at GenCon one year, and was able to tell him in person that I appreciated his work.

 

[Twin Agate Dragons]

You'd pay that much for an incorrect map? I'm impressed. Seriously, just buy the GM's screen on eBay for a lot less and just get the poster. I have to agree, it is a beautiful map, despite its flaws.

Yeah; I've been ripped off one too many times on ebay to ever buy from there again. The price from Amazon, is about $50. Either way I go, I'm paying $50. For that price I'd prefer to have it as a 24x36 poster map.

 

[VincentDarlage]

Yeah; I've been ripped off one too many times on ebay to ever buy from there again. The price from Amazon, is about $50. Either way I go, I'm paying $50. For that price I'd prefer to have it as a 24x36 poster map.

Will that place actually make a poster of a copyrighted image?