Willowhugger
Mongoose
What the title says.
How *mature* is your Conan?
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VincentDarlage
Mongoose
In my games, Conan is King of Aquilonia, so he is an adult, and fully mature. :wink:
Willowhugger
Mongoose
Hehehe, I meant your game's maturity levels.
But keeping at Conan's age, I have the PCs be contemporaries of adventuring Conan.
But keeping at Conan's age, I have the PCs be contemporaries of adventuring Conan.
VincentDarlage
Mongoose
Willowhugger said:
About the same as Howard's short stories I guess.
I left traditional D&D gaming because it was a little to family-friendly (I dont count the BoVD as it handled maturity in a retarded way). I remember when AD&D was vary mature, but then they got all PC. I hoped that Wizards would had changed all that, but they failed badly. I have been keeping up with 4th Ed, but they want to keep things family-friendly so they can bring in more un-weened, no-nothing whelps to the game. :roll:
As for my games, they are vary much mature. Rape, violence, slavery, gore and so on, and so forth (just like the Bible). I play with a mature group of adults who know how to handle themselves. We dont try to go over the top with it nor focus too much on it and we dont play fairy-tail morality-plays.
Talk about the immaturity of D&D, I use to go to the Mature board at the Wizard's forums. Do to some folks going a little overboard with the 'Mature' name sake (like posting elf-porn), they had to impose some rules and standards to their forums (of course, I cant complain to much as I had my part in all this :twisted
. I did not mind this at first (thing was just too wild), but the standards end up being too heavy-handed, vary draconian, and at times - highly illogical (I have seen posts get locked without warning for getting sightly off subject without being given a chance to go back on subject, and linked art of topless women with their hair covering them are seen as vary inappropriate :?). I'm glad that at least this forum know what true maturity is!
As for my games, they are vary much mature. Rape, violence, slavery, gore and so on, and so forth (just like the Bible). I play with a mature group of adults who know how to handle themselves. We dont try to go over the top with it nor focus too much on it and we dont play fairy-tail morality-plays.
Talk about the immaturity of D&D, I use to go to the Mature board at the Wizard's forums. Do to some folks going a little overboard with the 'Mature' name sake (like posting elf-porn), they had to impose some rules and standards to their forums (of course, I cant complain to much as I had my part in all this :twisted
. I did not mind this at first (thing was just too wild), but the standards end up being too heavy-handed, vary draconian, and at times - highly illogical (I have seen posts get locked without warning for getting sightly off subject without being given a chance to go back on subject, and linked art of topless women with their hair covering them are seen as vary inappropriate :?). I'm glad that at least this forum know what true maturity is!Malcadon wrote:"...some folks going a little overboard with the 'Mature' name sake (like posting elf-porn), they had to impose some rules and standards to their forums ..."
WOW, that's a new one.
I thought elves were imaginery, or did they get their girlfriends to put some SPOCK ears on or fire up the photoshop on a Jenna Jameson photo?
WOW, that's a new one.
I thought elves were imaginery, or did they get their girlfriends to put some SPOCK ears on or fire up the photoshop on a Jenna Jameson photo?
Yogah of Yag
Mongoose
Very immature:
In fur nappies, with a pacifier, and a cute Baby's First Broadsword™ clutched in his little paw.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Seriously....
About the same as the yarns. 8)
Back to Lurker Mode.
In fur nappies, with a pacifier, and a cute Baby's First Broadsword™ clutched in his little paw.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Seriously....
About the same as the yarns. 8)
Back to Lurker Mode.
Malcadon said:
That was you once, you know. The hobby needs some new players or all your favorite games will be non-supported. I understand knocking the game but gamers need to lose this superiority over newbies attitude - at least out of game. :lol:
In the spirit of Howard, violence rules the day in our game. Other mature issues are implied or off-screen - just like Howard. The goal in my game is to emulate Howard's Hyborian Age in game play like his prose.
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Malcadon wrote:
More seriously, I try to get the game as mature as possible, althgough "mature" doesn't mean gratuitous sex & violence (at least most of time!). As all my players are in the 35-40 range, mature themes can be more easily handled. Although it 's by no way the focus of our game, rape, child abuse, racism and slavery are common in the Hyborian Age, so they're present in my game.
As for Conan "maturity", we play during the young barbarian's adventuring years, when Vilerus is still king of Aquilonia and Yldiz still rules Turan.
Zoophilia? How disgusting!... :wink:
More seriously, I try to get the game as mature as possible, althgough "mature" doesn't mean gratuitous sex & violence (at least most of time!). As all my players are in the 35-40 range, mature themes can be more easily handled. Although it 's by no way the focus of our game, rape, child abuse, racism and slavery are common in the Hyborian Age, so they're present in my game.
As for Conan "maturity", we play during the young barbarian's adventuring years, when Vilerus is still king of Aquilonia and Yldiz still rules Turan.
I really dont mind younger gamers, but I just get sick of the ones who think they know everything about D&D and yet they never opened a 1st Ed book. I often bring in freshmen gamers players to my table. I believe that playing Keep on the Borderland is something of a rite of passage for any true D&D gamer.Strom said:
What I meant to say is that Wizards are more focused on getting younger gamers who have a hard time dealing with a lethal game then veteran players who favorers challenge.
They are just art. But I kid you not about the porn. Folks where posting pics of nude humanoids. But in most cases they just post Furry art. It was really stupid!Spectator said:
Doc Martin
Mongoose
I'm with those posters who have 'mature' themes in their games but leave the detail of it to the player's imagination. There are some good reasons for this:
1) It's how Howard dealt with it and therefore true to the spirit of the source material.
2) It avoids embarassment (grown men sat around talking dirty to each other - yuck) - for example, a couple of sessions ago one of my players was promoted to a position of power and a female servant attempted to seduce him; as is generally the case we started role-playing this in the first person but I soon said -"It's quite clear that she's willing to go to bed with you, but I'm not sitting here and chatting you up, 'Good' he replied 'That would be Wrong, but I take her up on the offer'". I should add that as the event was happening privately in game we were talking privately out of game - the pair of us were in the kitchen, and his wife was in the house at the time, think of the possibilities if we had played the whole scene out :shock:.
3) Perhaps most importantly, what isn't said and is left to the imagination of the players is often the most powerful. For example, I once wanted to emphasise the degeneracy of a certain NPC to my players; I described him as being accompanied by a young woman who, despite her makeup and expensive clothes, had a haunted and dejected look to her; furthermore, everytime he casually touched her she shuddered in horror. No need for any graphic description - the players knew he was a bad, bad man (he got a spear through the eye socket in the end).
1) It's how Howard dealt with it and therefore true to the spirit of the source material.
2) It avoids embarassment (grown men sat around talking dirty to each other - yuck) - for example, a couple of sessions ago one of my players was promoted to a position of power and a female servant attempted to seduce him; as is generally the case we started role-playing this in the first person but I soon said -"It's quite clear that she's willing to go to bed with you, but I'm not sitting here and chatting you up, 'Good' he replied 'That would be Wrong, but I take her up on the offer'". I should add that as the event was happening privately in game we were talking privately out of game - the pair of us were in the kitchen, and his wife was in the house at the time, think of the possibilities if we had played the whole scene out :shock:.
3) Perhaps most importantly, what isn't said and is left to the imagination of the players is often the most powerful. For example, I once wanted to emphasise the degeneracy of a certain NPC to my players; I described him as being accompanied by a young woman who, despite her makeup and expensive clothes, had a haunted and dejected look to her; furthermore, everytime he casually touched her she shuddered in horror. No need for any graphic description - the players knew he was a bad, bad man (he got a spear through the eye socket in the end).
LilithsThrall
Mongoose
Sadly, I feel our campaign tends towards the juvenile. Sex is thrown in frequently and almost entirely gratuitously - the cheap stuff like you'd imagine porn written by a sixteen year old boy to be. Most of the players seem to want it that way. I'm not sure why as the youngest one of them is in his mid 20s. The female player even plays her Temptress as pretty much a cheap whore.
Willowhugger
Mongoose
LilithsThrall said:
That's outrageous.
Temptresses should never be cheap.
LilithsThrall
Mongoose
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LilithsThrall
Mongoose
Willowhugger said:
My opinion exactly! The best example of a good Temptress IMO is Innara from Firefly. Sure, there was no secret about what she was and what she did, but it was never gratuitous. The woman was classy and powerful. In another way, the Bene Gesserit from Dune are another great example with a religious bent. They are not cheap whores and their existence in a game does not have to reduce that game to the juvenile level. That's what "mature" means - able to handle mature issues in a mature way, right?
In truth, a Temptress can as cheep or as classy as players want. But being a cheep slut dont work well for PCs as they have a reputation to consider. A PC Temptress with a good "professional" reputation and a mercenary code of honour can go a long way. Another cool thing about Conan are the Sacred Prostitutes. It make Religion feel less like the typical bland trapping you find in other fantasies.LilithsThrall said:
I too like Innara. She has true power, as she is a part of a class of prostitutes. There is no shame in what they do, they are vary professional, and they are well respected. If a client is acting like a bastard, then he is black-listed, and their presence allow ships to dock at any port.
[Note: the following preamble requires understanding of the difference between a player a character.]
Depends solely on the character (being limited only by the player's comfort level). Although bad things certainly happen in our Hyborian world, the PCs and NPCs react to it according to their very subjective outlook. As a GM, I try not to imply that morality is subjective (I in no way form or manner believe that in reality) but the various characters that inhabit our world may not (and often do not) share my objective view of reality. Rape is evil (period) but a Hyborian soldier may consider it "spoils of war" and act accordingly. One player played a "sodomite pirate" (his term, not mine) but took all such action "off-stage". Of course, that occasionally led to the familiar joke (if you don't know, don't ask), but it was a trait that made the character (not the player who is a kind man in reality) very unique and often dark. Nothing more sinister than a pirate chasing a beaten NPC warrior (who was maybe evil or not but at least in opposition to the party's goals) down to claim his version of scalping afterward...
I often find good role-players tend to play opposites of themselves and the ones that make Mazes & Monsters (IMDB it if you don't know it) a reality play characters too close to their own personalities.
Depends solely on the character (being limited only by the player's comfort level). Although bad things certainly happen in our Hyborian world, the PCs and NPCs react to it according to their very subjective outlook. As a GM, I try not to imply that morality is subjective (I in no way form or manner believe that in reality) but the various characters that inhabit our world may not (and often do not) share my objective view of reality. Rape is evil (period) but a Hyborian soldier may consider it "spoils of war" and act accordingly. One player played a "sodomite pirate" (his term, not mine) but took all such action "off-stage". Of course, that occasionally led to the familiar joke (if you don't know, don't ask), but it was a trait that made the character (not the player who is a kind man in reality) very unique and often dark. Nothing more sinister than a pirate chasing a beaten NPC warrior (who was maybe evil or not but at least in opposition to the party's goals) down to claim his version of scalping afterward...
I often find good role-players tend to play opposites of themselves and the ones that make Mazes & Monsters (IMDB it if you don't know it) a reality play characters too close to their own personalities.
