Glorantha 2nd age. What happens ?
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The King said:
Harrek The Beserk is a bit of a no-brainer
Harsaltar, son of Salinarg, Prince of Sartar - He joins the Household of Death (fanatical Humakti) at the age of 8, taking fearsome Vows, and two years later wounds the Red Emperor (Ignifer) causing him serious injury (although doing so causes him to break a geas, and leads to his own death)
The King said:
Harrek the Berserk and/or Jar-eel the Razoress. The cage pay-per-view match of them was called on account of everyone within 10 miles being dead. But hey, it was probably the best beefcake/cheesecake matchup you ever saw.
Greg's said that there are also some non-combat oriented super-heroes as well. Emale, who manages to get the humans and elves of Western Pamaltea to live together is one, apparently.
Jeff - whose summon healing spirit [strike]scotch[/strike] attempt failed
Not only did Harrek kill a god, he skinned it and wore it as a cloak, with its spirit bound into the cloak as his personal slave.The King said:
Jar-eel killed the Pharoah of the Holy Country, who I think should count as a living god.
Yanafal Tarnils defeated Humakt in single combat. (Although possibly he cheated, I don't know the details).
The King said:
FWIW, Belintar the God-King was hardly just some kind of Delecti. He was a first class heroquesting entity - a strange parallel to the Red Goddess herself (although without the moon or chaos angle). Belintar became a living manifestation of the Holy Country and was far far far far far more powerful than Delecti.
However, for sheer ass-kicking destructiveness, I have to give the award to Harrek the Berserk. Harrek was a manifestation of destruction, a living avatar of Shargash or Vadrus - or maybe even something new. Harrek was one terrifying hero (and lacked Arkat's sense of purpose, which made him far more unpredictable than Arkat).
Jeff
Oh geeze. We've forgotten Sheng Seleris. Both he and Harrek are avatars of destruction. Y'know, I think that Sheng and Harrek are both approaching the same thing by different directions - one is an utter self-absorbed materialist and the other is a very, very broken mystic.
Sheng took over Kralorela, Pent, Dara Happa, and laid into pretty much everything adjacent to it.
Jeff
Sheng took over Kralorela, Pent, Dara Happa, and laid into pretty much everything adjacent to it.
Jeff
Voriof said:
Sheng is a conquerer - and not a rampaging destroyer like Harrek. Sheng wants to rule the world, Harrek is content smashing, killing, plundering and destroying. Sheng is, as you say, a very very broken mystic. He's an antigod ruler, kind of a Kelteri manifest on earth. Harrek always seems to me to be akin to a manifestation of Vadrus on earth. Except worse.
Is Harrek actually as bad as he's being made out here?
After all, in the earliest materials about him he's portrayed very much as a Conan figure; a former slave of the Lunars who becomes a gladiator, bandit, pirate and eventually king of his own country (Banamba in Pamaltela) before leaving his throne to go help his friend Argrath fight the Lunar Empire.
Of course, knowing that he's loyal to his friends and honourable in his own way isn't much comfort to the people of the villages he burns and the ships he plunders... and most of what we read about him is written from their perspective. But really, is Harrek morally much different to any Orlanthi chieftain - except that he is much, much better at what he does?
After all, in the earliest materials about him he's portrayed very much as a Conan figure; a former slave of the Lunars who becomes a gladiator, bandit, pirate and eventually king of his own country (Banamba in Pamaltela) before leaving his throne to go help his friend Argrath fight the Lunar Empire.
Of course, knowing that he's loyal to his friends and honourable in his own way isn't much comfort to the people of the villages he burns and the ships he plunders... and most of what we read about him is written from their perspective. But really, is Harrek morally much different to any Orlanthi chieftain - except that he is much, much better at what he does?
The King said:
Well, it says in some of the older articles that he was a SuperHero.
The way he cheated was that the Young Elementals turned up and drew off Humakt's Companions, who chased them away to the Gates of Dusk, or somewhere, then Yanafal Tarnils and his own Companions ambushed Humakt and together they fought each other to a standstill, even though Humakt was on his own and Yanafal Tarnils had his boys with him. Actually, Humakt probably killed Yanafal Tarnils in the combat, but the cheated and came back, or perhaps that was later when he went to Hell to rescue the Red Goddess. In any case, he did cheat and survived the fight with Humakt.
He probably became a deity later on, after rescuing the Red Goddess or perhaps at Castle Blue.
But, yes, Yanafal Tarnils should be included in the list of The Well-Hard. So should Talor the Laughing Warrior, although he wasn't as nasty as Arkat.
StephenT said:
Yes. Yes, he is. or even worse. The problem with Harrek is his sheer selfishness coupled with his incredibe talent for destructiion. He will never become a worshipped god/spirit/essnce for he provides nothing for those who follow him save blood, loot, and gratification...
...hmm... Wakboth anyone?
Jeff
As far as 5 deadliest people goes ,Androgeus is supposed to be able to go toe to toe with both harrek and Jareel, but not much has been written about he/She /it? But then what little is know suggest Androgeus is a minor God who some how stayed on Glorantha after Godtime
Might add Androgeus unlike the other two is around during the second age.
Might be some body on Vormain that could also be added to the club but since the only thing the people of Vormain say to outsiders is "die, you scum" we would not know. Remember the Samuria of Vormain where able to keep out the Godlearner, which should tel lyou how good they are.
Might add Androgeus unlike the other two is around during the second age.
Might be some body on Vormain that could also be added to the club but since the only thing the people of Vormain say to outsiders is "die, you scum" we would not know. Remember the Samuria of Vormain where able to keep out the Godlearner, which should tel lyou how good they are.
The King
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Androgeous of Jesalma
Many tales are told of Androgeous's origins. All agree that she came to Glorantha during the Great Night. He mothered five children and fathered four, and managed to save thousands of humans from death. Her children were called the Unclean Races, the Walkers of Chaos, the Eaters of Life, and the Unnatural ones. Androgeous's career of heroism resulted in his baneful attachment to this world by a web of grievances, vengeance, debt, and a mystic link between Time and Godtime. As a result, she has become the eternal servant of suffering people.
[Dragon Pass, p.18]
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Zzabur though he was no killing machine, seemed to have some power of his own.
Many tales are told of Androgeous's origins. All agree that she came to Glorantha during the Great Night. He mothered five children and fathered four, and managed to save thousands of humans from death. Her children were called the Unclean Races, the Walkers of Chaos, the Eaters of Life, and the Unnatural ones. Androgeous's career of heroism resulted in his baneful attachment to this world by a web of grievances, vengeance, debt, and a mystic link between Time and Godtime. As a result, she has become the eternal servant of suffering people.
[Dragon Pass, p.18]
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Zzabur though he was no killing machine, seemed to have some power of his own.
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