First picture of the Federation Battleship
- Thread starter Finlos
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For those who don't like the design: It probably would be more productive to go over to the ADB website, participate in the discussion there about it, and air your concerns, rather than hide in your mousehole here and complain about it.
Those of you who have, thank you.
If you don't participate you shouldn't complain about the end result.
Those of you who have, thank you.
If you don't participate you shouldn't complain about the end result.
I thought it had already been stated in previous discussions that the basic appearance of all SFB ships is set in stone and whilst minor adjustments can be made - eg making front bit of the Condor a bit rounder, no other things would or could be changed?
I am not hiding anywhere - I post on both forums thank you very much.
However there is no point in making suggestions about altering the design if the stated company line is that there will no significant change. If however I am wrong and the ships deisgns can be altered radically I will certainly be plased to express an opinion.
I am not hiding anywhere - I post on both forums thank you very much.
However there is no point in making suggestions about altering the design if the stated company line is that there will no significant change. If however I am wrong and the ships deisgns can be altered radically I will certainly be plased to express an opinion.
Da Boss,
I was not addressing that comment specifically at you.
I don't know how much of a radical change ADB will consider. I do recall when they put up the proposed DNG for the first time, that nearly everyone hated the secondary hull, and that they changed it. How much leeway there is on the BB, I have no idea.
For the record, I'm kinda neutral on the design; I don't play Feds much myself.
I just get frustrated when I see people complain about something and do nothing to contribute. I guess it's easier to sit in your little hole in the wall and gripe.
I was not addressing that comment specifically at you.
I don't know how much of a radical change ADB will consider. I do recall when they put up the proposed DNG for the first time, that nearly everyone hated the secondary hull, and that they changed it. How much leeway there is on the BB, I have no idea.
For the record, I'm kinda neutral on the design; I don't play Feds much myself.
I just get frustrated when I see people complain about something and do nothing to contribute. I guess it's easier to sit in your little hole in the wall and gripe.
Fair enough 
I just thought that someone official had said the designs have to remain fundmentally the same in order to stay true to the SFU?
I did read alot of the posts in the design stages and it appeared that they had to match as near as possible?
Jean may well let us know what the situation is at soem point but its not somethng to bother her about I don't think - she reads through the forum regularly enough to notice in due course.
I just thought that someone official had said the designs have to remain fundmentally the same in order to stay true to the SFU?
I did read alot of the posts in the design stages and it appeared that they had to match as near as possible?
Jean may well let us know what the situation is at soem point but its not somethng to bother her about I don't think - she reads through the forum regularly enough to notice in due course.
GalagaGalaxian
Mongoose
Aye, the ship isn't exactly pretty, good thing she was never actually built. 
And I doubt the major design elements (such as the rough location of the warp engines) is going to change. I can't wait to see Sandrine and Will "Djdood" McCammon 's take on the Klingon B-10 (and the reactions from the players :lol: ).
And I doubt the major design elements (such as the rough location of the warp engines) is going to change. I can't wait to see Sandrine and Will "Djdood" McCammon 's take on the Klingon B-10 (and the reactions from the players :lol: ).
Well, some thngs are locked in. It's going to be a saucer & cigar. It's going to have four engines. It has to have the rigth number of photon tubes and phaser bumps. Those are a given. It should probably replicate design features that Sandrine already put into the DNG, unless there's a reason to make a change from what's been established. Beyond that, it's artistic license.
GalagaGalaxian
Mongoose
I'd say that two of the warp engines on the saucer is also "locked in" because of Module D3 Booms and Saucers. So we're still getting an NCL smashed onto a dreadnought hull.
Which is fine, much like the Federation, I can't imagine this thing justifying its points no matter how good. :lol: :wink: Though at least in the game it won't cost as much as three dreadnoughts (which is apparently what it economically would've cost the Federation).
Which is fine, much like the Federation, I can't imagine this thing justifying its points no matter how good. :lol: :wink: Though at least in the game it won't cost as much as three dreadnoughts (which is apparently what it economically would've cost the Federation).
If you go by SFU history, the Fed never built a BB. The Klingons did try to build the B-10, but as it was too big to fit in the slipway, they had to build it in open space. That increased the cost and time to build it. I would presume the same goes for all the BBs. They're just stupid-big.
Well, there are (or in some cases, were) various battleships in service elsewhere in the SFU.
For example, the (Neo-) Tholians had several battleships in service back in the home galaxy, though we don't know yet what kind of production facilities the Tholian Will had set up to build them. While most of them were presumably lost in the Revolt, at least one (the War Havoc) made it all the way to the Draco Dwarf Galaxy, where it was "landed" and dismantled for use as the basis of a new Tholian exile colony.
Plus, there was an incomplete Devastator found at one of the Desecrator starbases the Andromedans had built up (down?) in the Lesser Magellanic Cloud... and the terrifying Devourer variant the Andros fielded in a dark alternate future detailed in SFB Module C3A.
And if you really want to make even a battleship feel inadequate, there is always the Seltorian battlewagon; the very last thing any Tholian ever wishes to see.
Plus, there are a couple of quite large units in other corners of the setting; though getting to those might take quite a while longer, if ever, sadly.
For example, the (Neo-) Tholians had several battleships in service back in the home galaxy, though we don't know yet what kind of production facilities the Tholian Will had set up to build them. While most of them were presumably lost in the Revolt, at least one (the War Havoc) made it all the way to the Draco Dwarf Galaxy, where it was "landed" and dismantled for use as the basis of a new Tholian exile colony.
Plus, there was an incomplete Devastator found at one of the Desecrator starbases the Andromedans had built up (down?) in the Lesser Magellanic Cloud... and the terrifying Devourer variant the Andros fielded in a dark alternate future detailed in SFB Module C3A.
And if you really want to make even a battleship feel inadequate, there is always the Seltorian battlewagon; the very last thing any Tholian ever wishes to see.
Plus, there are a couple of quite large units in other corners of the setting; though getting to those might take quite a while longer, if ever, sadly.
I'm far more interested in the smaller ships than the BBs. BBs are good for Starbase assaults, but so horrendously brick like in terms of manoeuvring that equal points of smaller ships will beat them by just staying out of arc of the heavy weapons.
On the other hand if the B10 looks nice I'll get one.
On the other hand if the B10 looks nice I'll get one.
Da Boss said:I may get one and just move the engines to the top as I like it better that way
Are there any other Klingon ship designs other than just variants of what has already been made?
E5 Corvettes same basic size as a E4 built with a single D5 engine. And a E7 Cruiser which is really a Frankenstein of ship parts. The Klingons pretty much follow the Soviet mindset in WW2. Simple, Rugged, and in Mass.
GalagaGalaxian
Mongoose
Yeah, Klingon style doesn't change too much, their ships generally look even more "samey" than the Federation ships. For the most part we have every major Klingon hull represented besides the B10, the Gunboats/PFs and silly mashups like Rambler mentioned (the E5 uses an F5 boom mated to an E4 hull with a D5 warp engine bolted on top).
Well, I suppose there is the T6/T7 fleet tug, if you don't want to consider those part of the D6/D7 series. A heavily modified D6/D7, they actually retain most (if not all) of the armament, making them deceptively dangerous, moreso if they're carrying combat pods (though pods make very sluggish by Klingon standards).
Well, I suppose there is the T6/T7 fleet tug, if you don't want to consider those part of the D6/D7 series. A heavily modified D6/D7, they actually retain most (if not all) of the armament, making them deceptively dangerous, moreso if they're carrying combat pods (though pods make very sluggish by Klingon standards).
I haven't heard anything that indicates a fundamental change in how the ship is laid out. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen; it means I haven't heard of anything. Given that there are SFU history and engineering concerns to be addressed, I don't think it highly probable, though.
Sorry for the long silence. In our own way we were holding our own protest against the proposed SOPA and PIPA legislation in the US by not posting until after 5 pm CST. We weren't ignoring you.
Jean
Sorry for the long silence. In our own way we were holding our own protest against the proposed SOPA and PIPA legislation in the US by not posting until after 5 pm CST. We weren't ignoring you.
Jean
