Fighter Supremacy - winning is losing
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well, firstly remember that ships cannot fire into a dogfight, make sure your dogfights stay outside capital ships gun range, so you get to pick your own time and angle of attack. I've hada trolligan crushed by nials, and troligans are pretty tough and not too shoddy on their own firepower that close up. I have effectively hunted down centauri with fighters too.
the right fighter at the right time is preiceless. a group of frazi jinking in beghind a demos is a thing of beauty.. from the narn perspective!
the right fighter at the right time is preiceless. a group of frazi jinking in beghind a demos is a thing of beauty.. from the narn perspective!
Dogfights happen before the shooting right? Or do they still get the "dogfighting" cover the whole turn? You see, the raiders were all toast and the victorious whitestar fighters just sat there unaccompanied like a wallflower at junior prom. The metaphor ends when they get gunned down seconds later....
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
Problem with WS fighters is they only have 2" guns, so they have to go into AF range to attack... and AF happens before they can shoot.
lastbesthope
Mongoose
Burger said:Yeah, the dogfight winne is still "in a dogfight" for the entire turn. It can't be attacked.
Tip: winning is not losing
Indeed, this was ruled as the case at the Mogoose ACTA tourney on Saturday.
LBH
Shadow Queen
Mongoose
that mean Emines cant be fired at them. I wander who does that ....
nekomata fuyu
Mongoose
I thought it was ruled that you can emine fighters in a dogfight. You just can't target fighters in a dogfight.
EDFDarkAngel1
Mongoose
I think 3rd Edition should have a major overhaul of the rules language...
Dark Angel
Dark Angel
EDFDarkAngel1
Mongoose
The defense to that is that to fire on target means you are shooting at it. A region of space near the fighter explodes in e-mine goodness. It's not being fired on.
Dark Angel
Dark Angel
nekomata fuyu
Mongoose
What the rulebook says and what gets ruled are sometimes two completely separate things around hereJTL109 said:
EDFDarkAngel1
Mongoose
Which is why I said that the rules language should get overhauled.
Dark Angel
Dark Angel
chainmailler
Mongoose
ahhh 3rd edition..... thats good :lol: :roll:
CZuschlag
Mongoose
Just my sketchy thoughts on this -- take it for what you will.
You either need to find targets with relatively weak fighter cover (Antifighter 1 is riskable), or have bombers. Bombers are now high-value weapons that make the fighter itself dangerous. The best of the best out there for this role include (and my quick assessment):
Thunderbolt (=)
Firebolt (=, expensive)
Thorun Torpedobomber (=)
Rutarian (=)
Riva (+, never fought them, but they look just brutal, not too expensive)
Pikatos (?)
Sky Serpent (+ to -, need other non-Drazi fighters to give cover, otherwise rarely last 2 turns before a dogfight kills them)
Tzymm (+, these are VILE)
Por'fa'tais (-, slow, the dodge is woeful, fleet has zero carriers)
Fighter strike targets are almost always Shadows, Drakh, Stealth reduction needs, Patrol or Skirmish units at edges of formations, or support units with low antifighter, such as Scouts, especially patrol ones like the Jashakar and the Eyehawk.
Hull 5 is acceptable as a strike fighter well, up to an including Antifighter 2, as long as dodge scores are high.
Fighters have free reign if your opponent is big on Close Blast Doors, All Hands on Deck, and/or CAF. Making him pay, well -- anything at all, for these powerful special orders is worthwhile.
Fighters are also excellent at eliminating cripples, who likely have lost Antifighter because they are crippled, don't have Interceptors, and won't get to fight back -- they'll be dead.
If nothing else, fighters are almost always good for interceptors (Dear Lord, why can't the Abbai Kotha act as an interceptor? This wounds me.).
Because of the damage sequence, this stacks with Dodge well, so this is good for Drazi (who have no interceptors), Dilgar (who have no defenses, period), Whitestar allied fighters (this is particularly nasty/abusive), and the Liati (use regular Sentri for this, not your excellent Rutarians).
You either need to find targets with relatively weak fighter cover (Antifighter 1 is riskable), or have bombers. Bombers are now high-value weapons that make the fighter itself dangerous. The best of the best out there for this role include (and my quick assessment):
Thunderbolt (=)
Firebolt (=, expensive)
Thorun Torpedobomber (=)
Rutarian (=)
Riva (+, never fought them, but they look just brutal, not too expensive)
Pikatos (?)
Sky Serpent (+ to -, need other non-Drazi fighters to give cover, otherwise rarely last 2 turns before a dogfight kills them)
Tzymm (+, these are VILE)
Por'fa'tais (-, slow, the dodge is woeful, fleet has zero carriers)
Fighter strike targets are almost always Shadows, Drakh, Stealth reduction needs, Patrol or Skirmish units at edges of formations, or support units with low antifighter, such as Scouts, especially patrol ones like the Jashakar and the Eyehawk.
Hull 5 is acceptable as a strike fighter well, up to an including Antifighter 2, as long as dodge scores are high.
Fighters have free reign if your opponent is big on Close Blast Doors, All Hands on Deck, and/or CAF. Making him pay, well -- anything at all, for these powerful special orders is worthwhile.
Fighters are also excellent at eliminating cripples, who likely have lost Antifighter because they are crippled, don't have Interceptors, and won't get to fight back -- they'll be dead.
If nothing else, fighters are almost always good for interceptors (Dear Lord, why can't the Abbai Kotha act as an interceptor? This wounds me.).
Because of the damage sequence, this stacks with Dodge well, so this is good for Drazi (who have no interceptors), Dilgar (who have no defenses, period), Whitestar allied fighters (this is particularly nasty/abusive), and the Liati (use regular Sentri for this, not your excellent Rutarians).
