Exhaust plume off the Calfornia coast
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You mean the obvious jet contrail video as seen on the 'news' :roll:
Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but that looked exactly like the ones I was used to seeing on occasions when viewed headon - especially at altitude.
More telling - if it had been an exhaust plume it should have been more spread out given its apparent slow rate... which also precluded a missile. Note also, the shadows, time of day and clouds and the angle and contrail characteristics make more sense.
(P.S. the world is curved, but not that curved
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Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but that looked exactly like the ones I was used to seeing on occasions when viewed headon - especially at altitude.
More telling - if it had been an exhaust plume it should have been more spread out given its apparent slow rate... which also precluded a missile. Note also, the shadows, time of day and clouds and the angle and contrail characteristics make more sense.
(P.S. the world is curved, but not that curved
)Once over the Baltic on a flight back from Beijing I saw a vertical dark trail shooting directly upwards, slightly below us. It then turned horizontally and then I lost view of it.
At first I assumed it must be a rocket exhaust, but on reflection I think it's more likely to have been a military jet climbing on afterburners.
Simon Hibbs
At first I assumed it must be a rocket exhaust, but on reflection I think it's more likely to have been a military jet climbing on afterburners.
Simon Hibbs
"China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. "
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-517867
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-517867
far-trader
Mongoose
barnest2 said:
that's... misleading...
It's an iReport, an as yet unvetted one, anyone can make up just about any darn thing they want and submit an iReport. Take it with an industrial sized grain of salt and sleep easier until it IS vetted and corroborated. IF it ever is. As it is now it reads like political propaganda or conspiracy theory raving.
far-trader
Mongoose
DFW said:
This has been bugging me since you posted it. Is that really what you meant? Or did you misplace a decimal or two?
I was slow on the uptake earlier, re-reading now while composing this I went "Ah, maybe that's what BP was getting at with his curved world note."
If it was 100k+ feet (100,000+ feet, about 19 miles) high you could see it from over 300 miles away.
At about 60 miles away it would only need to clear about 2000 feet to be visible to you on the ground.
Unless I messed up my calculations.
Or did you mean it's apparent apex? Even then you must mean something considerably less than 19 miles high, missile or otherwise. Yes?
It's been most popularly identified as U.S. Airways flight 808, from Honolulu to Phoenix. Although this gentleman thinks United Parcel Service flight 902 is more likely.
Both are reasonable matches for the position, time, direction of flight and altitude necessery to create the image seen.
Simon Hibbs
Both are reasonable matches for the position, time, direction of flight and altitude necessery to create the image seen.
Simon Hibbs
far-trader said:This has been bugging me since you posted it. Is that really what you meant? Or did you misplace a decimal or two?
I was slow on the uptake earlier, re-reading now while composing this I went "Ah, maybe that's what BP was getting at with his curved world note."
If it was 100k+ feet (100,000+ feet, about 19 miles) high you could see it from over 300 miles away.
At about 60 miles away it would only need to clear about 2000 feet to be visible to you on the ground.
Unless I messed up my calculations.
Or did you mean it's apparent apex? Even then you must mean something considerably less than 19 miles high, missile or otherwise. Yes?
No. It is the geography. It was to my South. I live at the bottom of a the North face, of a STEEP gorge that is part of an East-West running mountain range. I can't see airplanes incoming to the LA Basin as videoed. For obvious reasons.
I don't know. From the link Simonh has provided (http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808), the image from 24hrs later looks extremely similar enough to the image og the original contrail to me, that unless someone has better evidence to the contrary, its hard for me to believe that its not the UPS flight that the poster in that link has suggested.
If anyone has any good evidence to the contrary it would be very interesting to see.
Regards
PF
If anyone has any good evidence to the contrary it would be very interesting to see.
Regards
PF
nats
Banded Mongoose
Doesnt look anything like a contrail to me I believe the Chinese missile report myself.
China is rapidly becoming a major world superpower in its own right and will become the greatest threat to world peace over the next few years China has views on the world scene and its rapid development to the detriment of its own people is pretty strong indication of where it sees itself in the next few years. It has already entered the space scene. Watch how they leave everyone else behind over the next few years including the US and other countries wallowing in their huge debts. I say 'they' but this isnt about the Chinese people at all - its purely the hardline leaders in the Chinese government.
China is rapidly becoming a major world superpower in its own right and will become the greatest threat to world peace over the next few years China has views on the world scene and its rapid development to the detriment of its own people is pretty strong indication of where it sees itself in the next few years. It has already entered the space scene. Watch how they leave everyone else behind over the next few years including the US and other countries wallowing in their huge debts. I say 'they' but this isnt about the Chinese people at all - its purely the hardline leaders in the Chinese government.
PFVA63 said:
Well, the 1st hint is that the pic you posted and the original were BOTH shot looking West. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/11/15/us/CONTRAIL/CONTRAIL-articleLarge.jpg
The one you post is going to the South, the other, Northward. :lol:
Although since you aren't familiar with the area you wouldn't know what to look for.
But, I guess as long as it keeps the citizenry calm...
far-trader
Mongoose
DFW said:far-trader said:This has been bugging me since you posted it. Is that really what you meant? Or did you misplace a decimal or two?
I was slow on the uptake earlier, re-reading now while composing this I went "Ah, maybe that's what BP was getting at with his curved world note."
If it was 100k+ feet (100,000+ feet, about 19 miles) high you could see it from over 300 miles away.
At about 60 miles away it would only need to clear about 2000 feet to be visible to you on the ground.
Unless I messed up my calculations.
Or did you mean it's apparent apex? Even then you must mean something considerably less than 19 miles high, missile or otherwise. Yes?
No. It is the geography. It was to my South. I live at the bottom of a the North face, of a STEEP gorge that is part of an East-West running mountain range. I can't see airplanes incoming to the LA Basin as videoed. For obvious reasons.
Ah, that fixes it
Thanks for the clarification!
