EWF and reincarnation

[Trifletraxor]

I do have the dragonewts book and the answer may be there, but I haven't had time to read it yet, and therefor has to ask:

A human EWF officer, would he be resurrected if they had a Chalana Arroy temple near? Or is it against their faith somehow?

What about dragonewts? How long time does the reincarnation process takes? Would a dragonewt ever be resurrected if he was an important figure in stopping a revolt?

I'm playing the Blood of Orlanth campaign, and my players killed both Right Word Now and Seran the Laughter last session, but had to withdraw from the fight so the EWF soldiers could reclaim their bodies.

Gone for good, or may they reappear?

SGL.

 

[soltakss]

All in my opinion. of course.

If you resurrect a dragonewt you take it out of the Rebirth Cycle. Maybe it is permanent, maybe not. I would say that if the dragonewt did not immediately commit Utuma / Ritual Suicide then it would be in serious danger of being taken out of the Rebirth Cycle anyway.

When a dragonewt dies, it's soul flies away to the egg where it was born. That process then kick starts the egg and a new dragonewt body is born containing the dragonewt's soul. If you interrupt that by removing the soul then you get a body with no soul inside an egg. What would hatch? Maybe something undead, maybe nothing. If the soul doesn't rejoin the body, perhaps the body will rot and kill the egg, thereby stopping the rebirth process.

Humans are probably a bit different. Since they do not have a rebirth cycle like dragonewts, they are probably OK at being resurrected. Powerful ones might even be able to resurrect themselves, using some nifty draconic magic.

If your PCs killed some dragonewts then they would probably come back eventually. If they decided to take revenge on their attackers then they would be entrapped in worldly affairs and this might affect their future development. If they don't then they might have problems because they have refused to right the wrong of their death, so might affect their future development. It's tough being a dragonewt.

If someone resurrects a dragonewt with the express purpose of taking it out of the rebirth cycle so it can't come after them then they are storing up a whole load of trouble for themselves.

 

[Loz]

I agree pretty much with what Simon says.

If you kill a dragonewt then its all part of the cycle or rebirth; if its reached an appropriate maturity it will advance to the next stage; if not, it comes back as the same stage and must continue to learn. Dragonewts come back with full memory, so it might seek revenge against its killers, if that is deemed Right Action.

EWF humans, if they attain the right degree of mastery, certainly reincarnate. The members of the Eternal Dragon Ring have reincarnated many times - its their version of dragonewt rebirth on the path to becoming a dragon. However, this level of transcendence is not available to rank and file EWF; they must be resurrected by 'normal' means - although no self respecting EWF member would be satisfied with an Old Ways Chalana Arroy resurrection; it would have to have a draconic angle to it.

This aspect of EWF progression hasn't been detailed anywhere, but will be. A planned book will deal with the EWF in much greater detail than in 'Magic of Glorantha' and will examine how draconic mysticism fully works, and how such a path can be attained by 'mortal' EWF members.

 

[The King]

There was an interesting aspect in the video game King of the Dragon Pass, where a Dragonewt want to recover the armor made out of the skin of his past body but I have no idea to which purpose.

 

[TRose]

All in my opinion. of course.

. If you interrupt that by removing the soul then you get a body with no soul inside an egg. What would hatch? Maybe something undead, maybe nothing. If the soul doesn't rejoin the body, perhaps the body will rot and kill the egg, thereby stopping the rebirth process.

Hmmmm. Perhaps this is also how the first Dinosaurs appeared too.
Its believed that Dragonewts and Dinosaurs are related some how. But its still speculation .

 

[Cleombrotus]

I remember a passage in the Dragon Pass rules that linked dinosaurs to the idea of stunted Dragons, so that allosaurs, for example, were the embodiment of the carniverous aspects of Dragonhood.

This is all probably long-since Gregged, but I always loved the idea that Dinosaurs were simply incomplete Dream Dragons that embodied some of the baser or less complicated aspects of True Dragons.

 

[ealdstan]

In Glorantha second age it talks about a dragonewt that degenerated into a dinosaur and eventually degenerated into a green eyed human at which point he killed himself so the dragonewts wouldn't have to.

 

[Trifletraxor]

What time span are we talking about here? How long till a dragonewt can be back in some form? :twisted:

SGL.

 

[StephenT]

Aren't dinosaurs the result of dragonewts who experimented with having sex? Because they weren't mature dragons, their offspring were unintelligent monsters. Plus some dinosaurs are the devolved remnants of dragonewts who committed Wrong Action.


I like the idea that a dragonewt being resurrected using Chalana Arroy style magic would be dragged back to its old body instead of being reborn in a new one. However, I don't think this would sever it from the cycle of life: it would just impose a horrendous burden of Wrong Action karma on it. At the very least it would have to kill the priestess responsible for resurrecting it, however many lives it took...

 

[TRose]

What time span are we talking about here? How long till a dragonewt can be back in some form? :twisted:

SGL.

I don't think it is ever mentioned any where .My guess tit varies depending on many factors .

 

[Loz]

What time span are we talking about here? How long till a dragonewt can be back in some form? :twisted:

SGL.

I don't think it is ever mentioned any where .My guess tit varies depending on many factors .

The soul transference is immediate. A dragonewt body takes a day to reform, depending on its stage. I'd figure one day if reincarnating at the same stage, and a further day for a stage higher.

 

[richaje]

What time span are we talking about here? How long till a dragonewt can be back in some form? :twisted:

SGL.

I don't think it is ever mentioned any where .My guess tit varies depending on many factors .

The soul transference is immediate. A dragonewt body takes a day to reform, depending on its stage. I'd figure one day if reincarnating at the same stage, and a further day for a stage higher.

That sounds about right as a general rule. Of course there are the occasional strange cases - like those who died at the battle of Vanntar who did not return until after the battle of Kaxtorplose. Or the dragonewt noble who claim to have reincarnated before he died.

Jeff

 

[Trifletraxor]

I think my group just made it to EWF's "most wanted" list.
2 of then died, and the others are gravely injured, but they killed 116 EWF soldiers of top of the stairs during the Siege of Thunder Bridge. Looks like the EWFs take the fort, but at a heavy price. 8)

SGL.