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[Cleombrotus]

Com'on! I don't remember which Jeff you are (and I think I don't care anyway) but though it seems you have some scientific knowledge about sharks, either you failed to notice the humour contained within or you're deliberatly constricted. Is it then a dislike because you feel you're an Gloranthan elder and deserve some sort of worship from the posters of this forum?

I have then the regret to inform you that I can be as haughty as everyone. Perhaps even more.

Your hissy fit is embarrassing...this was a good thread.

 

[The King]

Com'on! I don't remember which Jeff you are (and I think I don't care anyway) but though it seems you have some scientific knowledge about sharks, either you failed to notice the humour contained within or you're deliberatly constricted. Is it then a dislike because you feel you're an Gloranthan elder and deserve some sort of worship from the posters of this forum?

I have then the regret to inform you that I can be as haughty as everyone. Perhaps even more.

Your hissy fit is embarrassing...this was a good thread.

As a matter of fact, you could have written I had farted in your nose that it would have left me cold. May be you can use this as incense for your worship.

 

[Cleombrotus]

Nope, still embarrassed...

 

[Darran]

What is known as the Trollkin curse is supposed to have existed in the first age. Now in the 2nd or 3rd age, how can you prove me beyond oral stories that this happened exactly like you said?

At this point, I have no idea what you are arguing. But there is an objective history to Glorantha - events did happen. And the Battle of Night and Day was a huge event in Glorantha where the Compromise itself was violated. For the EWF, the Orlanthi and the Dara Happans it was a huge historical event. For the trolls, it was the most awful disaster since the Bright Enemy came to Wonderhome.

Jeff

The trouble is that you seem to be pushing for a 'One True Glorantha' and that doesn't exist outside Greg Stafford's games.

 

[Grrrr]

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IMHO, darksense does function in ordinary daylight. In the celestial world things might be different, though, because Darkness is mythically very weak there. Literally, there might be no Darkness to sense there

I suspect that Darksense would work in daylight because in Glorantha objects still cast shadows. Thus if Darksense is literally the ability to sense Darkness rather than echolocation then Uz above ground would be able to sense patches of darkness. Which would be harder than sensing Darkness and so the skill would be reduced. And if Darksense is a handy label for echolocation, which is so far beyond the scientific understanding of Mr Joe Average Theyalan or Uz that they would never call it that, then wide open spaces and trees would mess it up and hence a reduced skill.

I do like (and will therefore steal) the idea of no darkness in the celestial realm and so Uz do not like it there. In that case maybe the perfect realm absorbs sound and so echolocation explanation is also useless.



Grrrr

 

[homerjsinnott]

I do like (and will therefore steal) the idea of no darkness in the celestial realm and so Uz do not like it there. In that case maybe the perfect realm absorbs sound and so echolocation explanation is also useless.



Grrrr

Naw, its the continual 'Music of the Spheres' it just confuses them. :wink:

 

[kintire]

The trouble is that you seem to be pushing for a 'One True Glorantha' and that doesn't exist outside Greg Stafford's games.

I see your criticism, but I think it is unfounded.

I don't believe anyone in this thread is suggesting that anyone has to run their own games in any specific way. But if we are going to have any sort of meaningful debate about Glorantha, we have to be talking about the "official version", otherwise there is no common ground to discuss. He isn't "pushing for a 'one true Glorantha'", he is assuming the base Glorantha in order to be able to meaningfully say anything, while not denying that any GM can vary anything.

I observe from your comment above

Well that is just one explanation, none of them are fully correct. Mythic answers are always going to be a little ambiguous and missing certain elements of mythic truth.

That you are definitly a mythicist inn Glorantha. Nothing wrong with that, but do remember the difference between Myth and Time. In the period before time, things were very different. Just what was going on back then is a matter of some debate, and beyond this thread, and complicated further by the fact that Heroquests can change what seems to have happened. However, all that ends when Time starts. There is a definite objective history of things that did in fact happen, and it starts at the dawn. That, after all, is what Time IS. So in that sense there is a "One True Glorantha".

Of course, all cultures will put their own spin on events, and no one culture's perception will be complete, but the Battle of Night and Day happened in history, within Time, so it isn't subject to the same sort of reinterpretation as, say Orlanth and the Evil Emperor.