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[rinku]

What puzzles me is why you think a starship construction area is much like a water ship one. Building one is not like building the other.

Just because they're labelled "shipyards" and the two almost totally different types of vessel are both called ships? That's illogical.

In any case... my main point was not as much how they're put together, but that unlike watercraft but very much like aircraft, you can't just vary the dimensions from unit to unit. If a water ferry is built a metre longer than a sister ship, it's not going to be a big issue most of the time. Two different shipyards can and will construct similar but not identical ships of a class. If you significantly alter the dimensions of an aircraft or spacecraft, it's a deliberate design decision that's going to immediately affect its performance and will need a full range of testing.

A ship whose speed turns out to be a bit slower than expected is an annoyance. Aircraft (and spacecraft) which don't meet design specs are hazards.

And having said all that, I fully accept that there will be type variations in starship hulls... but those won't be accidental or casual. If a variation IS fully tested and practical, add that to the standard plans once it's approved.

 

[Fluffy Bunny Feet]

Why do you think there have been 4 Imperiums? lol

Which was the fourth? I thought they were still on the third? Besides which blaming planned obsolescence and capitalism for the fall of 2 or 3 Empires isn't a good argument for having them.

 

[rinku]

There's a fourth one in the future, after all the Rebellion, Virus and Start Viking stuff.

Besides, the Imperiums - apart maybe from the Rule of Man - feel more Mercantilist than Capitalist to me. Monopolies and grants instead of free market, although within a star system you could have anything.

 

[boggo2300]

There's a fourth one in the future, after all the Rebellion, Virus and Start Viking stuff.

Besides, the Imperiums - apart maybe from the Rule of Man - feel more Mercantilist than Capitalist to me. Monopolies and grants instead of free market, although within a star system you could have anything.

If T:20 is still canon it's even going to have Strephons clone/son as it's first Emperor

 

[rinku]

I think Marc is actually on record as agreeing with Yoda that the future is always in motion. As well as that things end up in his choice of far far future regardless of the causal path. So it doesn't matter if Strephon lived or anything else happens; at some point bad things do happen and the Imperium ends and there's a new beginning arising from a dark period of lost records. Some say there was a civil war. Some say there was a Centaur invasion. Some talk of vampire ships and mad emperors, or a great psychic wave.

Who can say?

 

[swordtart]

A ship whose speed turns out to be a bit slower than expected is an annoyance. Aircraft (and spacecraft) which don't meet design specs are hazards.

I am not sure those things are linked. If a ship's seams are not built to spec it will be a hazard. Not all aircraft components are airworthiness affecting, it is the job of the airworthiness authority in their hazard assessment to determine what the safety affecting and safety enforcing components are of their system and focus their attention on those components.

Aircraft are designed and then go through a life cycle. During that life cycle specs of components change and at the end of the life of the aircraft it might have a very different specification than at the start. Military aircraft particularly often have capability upgrades throughout their life. Repairs can be austere, fractures stopped by drilling holed, mission kit fitted and removed. Our aircraft had so many changes that the chassis of a computer system had to remain in place after the computer was replaced because after multiple temporary fits it had become necessary for structural reasons.

Are the stresses on all Traveller ships that great? Jump isn't necessarily a violent wrench and many ships are only capable of 1G manoeuvring, plus they benefit form magic space materials and gravitic manipulation. As people have pointed out elsewhere, even in atmosphere they do not need to fly aerodynamically or achieve escape velocity and can just gently lift into space like a space elevator. Equating them to ships seems entirely reasonable, and ships will be at sea in weather conditions that leave aircraft grounded. The reason aircraft are so finicky and fragile is that they need to be lightweight. Once you have cracked gravity that constraint goes away.

 

[Sigtrygg]

Capitalism predates planned obsolescence.

It is wasteful of energy and raw materials and increases pollution while transferring wealth from the poor and middle class to the wealthy.

Sorry I should have included the word modern...

 

[Sigtrygg]

I think Marc is actually on record as agreeing with Yoda that the future is always in motion. As well as that things end up in his choice of far far future regardless of the causal path. So it doesn't matter if Strephon lived or anything else happens; at some point bad things do happen and the Imperium ends and there's a new beginning arising from a dark period of lost records. Some say there was a civil war. Some say there was a Centaur invasion. Some talk of vampire ships and mad emperors, or a great psychic wave.

Who can say?

The referee...

 

[Sigtrygg]

Right, but ships are built in yards, not in factories with assembly lines. Remember the old B-29 (B-29?) factories? Materials in one side and a full plane out the other. Shipyards are not like that.

Depends. Many warships and subs are built in sections at different manufacturing yards and then taken for final assembly.

 

[Sigtrygg]

Not great for the stability the Empire is supposed to prize.

The stability is enforced by the IN...

there have been several rather nasty events prior to 1105 - the pacification campaigns, the Julian War, the Ilelish revolt (nasty one that) the Civil War, the Solomani Rim war.

 

[boggo2300]

Depends. Many warships and subs are built in sections at different manufacturing yards and then taken for final assembly.

I believe it's the only way they can make a Ford Class Carrier because of the size

 

[Condottiere]

Fifty tonne heavy fighters are likely (factory) mass produced.

Then you have Scout/Couriers and Express Boats.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Depends. Many warships and subs are built in sections at different manufacturing yards and then taken for final assembly.

What is a manufacturing yard? Is that like a shipyard, but not for ships? I know cars are built in factories or plants. No idea where trains are built, but they are maintained in yards. Most things seem to be made in factories or plants. (Maybe those two words are the same?) Yard seems to be an entirely different type of thing. Is this a difference in language between American English and the King's English?

 

[Fluffy Bunny Feet]

What is a manufacturing yard?

I looked it up, it was as I expected.

A manufacturing yard, also known as a warehouse yard or fabrication yard, is an outdoor space used for various operations related to manufacturing and logistics. It's a designated area within a facility where materials, components, and goods are moved, stored, and processed before or after manufacturing

Just like a shipyard it is an "unenclosed area used for manufacturing". It may make use of enclosed areas for some processes.

 

[MasterGwydion]

I looked it up, it was as I expected.


Just like a shipyard it is an "unenclosed area used for manufacturing". It may make use of enclosed areas for some processes.

Aren't aircraft built indoors? All of the pics I have seen of planes under construction show them inside huge buildings. I have seen small boats built indoors, but never any actually big commercial-type or military ships. Also remember, if it is an assembly line, it needs retooled in order to build other ships and also cannot be used for maintenance. A shipyard can be used for maintenance.

btw - Thanks for the definition. That was helpful.

 

[boggo2300]

 

[MasterGwydion]

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That is definitely indoors!