Correct me if I'm wrong... (regarding MEA infantry)

[noobdelux]

oh well ...

the only gun iv been shooting with is an 7.62 ag3.. and il tell you.. that aint easy

 

[Armchair_Marine]

But I did see right that the MEA lack any kind of armor whatsoever? And so do the Chinese I believe. So the one thing these two armies that resemble their real world counterparts is the fact that the depend on mass numbers because bullets kill each of them instantly if they get hit?

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

It just means they need to hug cover even more - remember that any terrain between you and the target gives you a +1 to your hit rating, and if you're in cover you get +2 to hit and kill.

 

[Armchair_Marine]

Or they could act like typical insurgents and throw hundreds and hundreds of themselves towards gun fire hoping that out of the 200 of them, 2 or 3 of them will get a kill.

 

[captainsmirk]

But I did see right that the MEA lack any kind of armor whatsoever? And so do the Chinese I believe.

I believe there is a Type-99 MBT on the main site which says otherwise...


Nick

 

[Armchair_Marine]

But I did see right that the MEA lack any kind of armor whatsoever? And so do the Chinese I believe.

I believe there is a Type-99 MBT on the main site which says otherwise...


Nick

Sorry, when I said armor, I meant just the kind worn by infantry, not armored vehicles. Let's just concentrate on infantry in this discussion.

 

[Turtle]

remember that the 6" firezone is there to represent a whole chunk of full-auto fire going into a specific area. The damage and save rolls simulate near-misses and intervening cover blockign a roudn that may hit a trooper otherwise as well as shots that don't penetrate armour.

That's no longer true in the Evolution rules set. The 6" firezone is for all weapons, not just ones with the autofire trait.

It represents an area where a unit is actively shooting at targets. Yes, it could also mean that they're letting loose with automatic fire willy nilly, but it's key to remember that it could mean anything from experienced/trained units firing with careful aim, to explosive weapons being launced.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

remember that the 6" firezone is there to represent a whole chunk of full-auto fire going into a specific area. The damage and save rolls simulate near-misses and intervening cover blockign a roudn that may hit a trooper otherwise as well as shots that don't penetrate armour.

That's no longer true in the Evolution rules set. The 6" firezone is for all weapons, not just ones with the autofire trait.

It represents an area where a unit is actively shooting at targets. Yes, it could also mean that they're letting loose with automatic fire willy nilly, but it's key to remember that it could mean anything from experienced/trained units firing with careful aim, to explosive weapons being launced.

I was only using the phrase full-auto as a descriptor. Fluff-wise, the fire zone still represents a squad saturating a small area with fire.

 

[captainsmirk]

Sorry, when I said armor, I meant just the kind worn by infantry, not armored vehicles. Let's just concentrate on infantry in this discussion.

Ooops...

My bad.


Nick

 

[Armchair_Marine]

So is 4+ target and 6+ kill as low as it will get for any future infantry units?

 

[Sgt. Brassones]

So is 4+ target and 6+ kill as low as it will get for any future infantry units?

Naw, the MEA have the strength of their faith protecting them. Heathens are Target 3 and kill 5.

 

[MongooseMatt]

We have a theoretical Rioting Mob for the MEA that is 3+/5+, but 4+/6+ should be seen as lowest for trained soldiers.

 

[Proteus454]

We have a theoretical Rioting Mob for the MEA that is 3+/5+, but 4+/6+ should be seen as lowest for trained soldiers.

I was about to say...it's possible they'll also have a poorer ability to fire upon foes than standard PLA troops or MEA Militia.

As I understand it, the point of Militia is that they HAVE training, and not a little hard-won experience, but in the end are irregular fighters without the tight support and command structure of, say, the British, Chinese, Americans...The Fedayeen representing very elite, but still irregular, guerillas, saboteurs (and yes, the T-word).

Contrast these with the not-very-well-trained-but-highly-motivated Angry Mob, or the Government Troops, who might have the fire team ability the other three nations currently have a monopoly on (and, Buddha forbid, body armour into the bargain)

 

[Proteus454]

Isn't the whole indoctrination of being better than all others part of "elite"training.
regardless of wether they actually are?

True. The thing that really sets the USMC apart is their absolutely massive logistical support, and the slick integration of combat support assets at relatively small unit levels. A USMC infantry battalion in a Marine Expeditionary Unit can count on dedicated support from helicopters (transport as well as gunship), aircraft (harriers), artillery, amphibious and/or reconnaissance vehicles, and may even include armour - all under the command of a single colonel, so no endless trudging through the chain of command in order to get some fire for effect.

That, of course, and an exceptionally strong esprit de corps. I'd be hesistant to actually rate the USMC as better trained or generally better fighters on their own, when compared to other modern regular armed forces. To me it's the mix of logistic support, integrated combat support, and esprit de corps that sets the USMC apart.

Hmmmm...quite informative, Helstrom. Much obliged.