Cloth Armor

[Old Scrounger]

It seems cloth armor is too heavy found on page 94. TL 7 weighs 10k and TL 10 weighs 5k. Improved cloth at TL 10 in the CSC only weighed 1k. Jumping to 5 seems like too much for cloth armor. I noticed that some of the other armors seem a little heavy like in the combat armor discussion already posted.

 

[Anonymous]

Not to counter your preferences, they're all good, I've always felt the TL7 cloth was way too light. If compared with the weight of current day armour.

Dropping the weight at TL10 to 5kg seems a fair number to come down.

 

[Old Scrounger]

The idea of cloth armor is it is not bulky and as stated in the description "indistinguishable from ordinary clothing"(page 95). How can such an armor that looks like ordinary clothing weigh 10k or even 5k? The armor rating could be lowered but 10 and 5 is ridiculous. Every single person in our group complained about this. TL 10 is well beyond our tech levels so it should be superior to what we have today.

 

[-Daniel-]

Just curious if we are all thinking the same thing, I have always thought of Cloth Armor as the modern body armor used by the military. Is that what you guys are thinking as well?

 

[Old Scrounger]

I'm thinking of the protection 5 TL10 armor in the first Mongoose edition that weighed 1k. Jack at TL1 is just a vest but it weighs 1k? Mesh in the 2.0 book is a TL2 body suit that only weighs 2k? This is not balanced at all.

 

[Old Scrounger]

I can't find how much weight can be carried and not be slow down a character in the 2.0 rules. Can someone tell me where to find that so I can get an idea about how heavy 5k is to a character. The old rules used combined strength and endurance. I must be looking in the wrong places.

 

[Gypsy Knights Games]

Just curious if we are all thinking the same thing, I have always thought of Cloth Armor as the modern body armor used by the military. Is that what you guys are thinking as well?

Maybe the TL7 armor. The TL10 armor will be different.

According to the main rulebook on p.95, the cloth armor in the book is spoken of as looking just like average street clothes. So it seems clear to me that technology has advanced to a point where it is both lighter and thinner. So not bulky, not like modern cloth armor and not 11 lbs (5kg).

Indeed, that sentence would lead me to believe that an average person could wear a military uniform, a business suit, etc. which would appear totally normal but actually be cloth armor.

 

[Cugel]

Just curious if we are all thinking the same thing, I have always thought of Cloth Armor as the modern body armor used by the military. Is that what you guys are thinking as well?

Maybe the TL7 armor. The TL10 armor will be different.

According to the main rulebook on p.95, the cloth armor in the book is spoken of as looking just like average street clothes. So it seems clear to me that technology has advanced to a point where it is both lighter and thinner. So not bulky, not like modern cloth armor and not 11 lbs (5kg).

Indeed, that sentence would lead me to believe that an average person could wear a military uniform, a business suit, etc. which would appear totally normal but actually be cloth armor.

This has always been my understanding: "indistinguishable from street clothes" implies cloth resistant to ballistic missiles, not bulky armor.

 

[Infojunky]

Just curious if we are all thinking the same thing, I have always thought of Cloth Armor as the modern body armor used by the military. Is that what you guys are thinking as well?

Nope, that is the Combat Environment suit, which traditionally was slightly better than Cloth....

 

[-Daniel-]

Just curious if we are all thinking the same thing, I have always thought of Cloth Armor as the modern body armor used by the military. Is that what you guys are thinking as well?

Nope, that is the Combat Environment suit, which traditionally was slightly better than Cloth....

My document must not be the same as yours, or I am missing something. what page is the "Combat Environment Suit" listed on? All I have is either the "Hostile Environment Vacc Suit" or "Combat Armour". Neither of them, based on the descriptions given could possibly be modern "body armour". Both are clearly full body sealed suits not chest protectors like modern body armour.

 

[Infojunky]

Just curious if we are all thinking the same thing, I have always thought of Cloth Armor as the modern body armor used by the military. Is that what you guys are thinking as well?

Nope, that is the Combat Environment suit, which traditionally was slightly better than Cloth....

My document must not be the same as yours, or I am missing something. what page is the "Combat Environment Suit" listed on? All I have is either the "Hostile Environment Vacc Suit" or "Combat Armour". Neither of them, based on the descriptions given could possibly be modern "body armour". Both are clearly full body sealed suits not chest protectors like modern body armour.

Sorry Daniel, its the hazard of being a Grognard, 35+ years in and something just reflexively get said, in this case the Combat Environment Suit, which is a Mercenary thingy...

Cloth is the versatile wonder material that flexible suits get made out of, including concealed/civilian clothing.