That was part of my suggestion. Basicaly each fighter going on a suiside run would count as a weapon system by itself. This would mean you can use the re-roll on a single fighter, but not on every fighter in a swarm that's trying to ram a ship (unless you've got enough scouts to give every fighter in the swarm a re-roll)
Can you use scout re-roll on suicide fighter attacks?
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BTW while were at looking for extra fleets with proven suicide runs on the show.
Us Narns had one too ^^. Agreed it only was a Shadow fighter, but msprange has rated them as antiship drones. So i guess what works against drones could be used against those big ships too ^^.
Just trying
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Us Narns had one too ^^. Agreed it only was a Shadow fighter, but msprange has rated them as antiship drones. So i guess what works against drones could be used against those big ships too ^^.
Just trying
.Centauri_Admiral
Mongoose
Right, refering back to page 1 of this thread, I made the statement about using a primus class battlecruiser ramming using scout re-direct as an exaggerated statement of ridicularity. Saying that a suicide fighter/ crewed missile could and in fact should benefit from a scout ship feeding them uprated data isn't out of the bounds of possiblity I'll give you that . . . . ON A TV SHOW, yes I'll accept that. BUT THAT IS A TV SHOW, THIS IS A GAME, THIS GAME NEEDS TO BE BALANCED. Gaim already have the capacity to field a scary amount of crewed missiles, I've faced them, 5 point battle using ISA with Nolo Tar escorts, in fact I've just purchased two Narn G'Kariths to use as allies JUST to give myself a fighting chance against Gaim or a similar fleet in the future.
Considering how cheaply the Gaim can buy a scout for, allowing them to use scout re-direct [in terms of game mechanics here, not theory, I'll conceed that it is theoretically possible] is unbelievably broken, and virtual NO FLEET within this game would stand a chance.
And I go with Burger on this, where does it mention that a crewed missile is a weapon system, according to the rules? Okay so you argue that anything used to damage an enemy vessel is a weapon system, so I fence my opponent in so he HAS to fly through an asteroid field, it damages his ship, so it's a weapon system now???? DO I GET A RE-ROLL ON THAT TOO?
The crewed missiles are fighters, that the Queen has determined are expendable, they are auxhiliary craft and thats why they come listed as part of the aux craft compliment on board the ship, not the weapon systems part of the profile. As burger said, they are aux craft not weapon systems, therefore by the letter of the rules cannot benefit from a scout re-direct.
Sorry guys; rant over.
Considering how cheaply the Gaim can buy a scout for, allowing them to use scout re-direct [in terms of game mechanics here, not theory, I'll conceed that it is theoretically possible] is unbelievably broken, and virtual NO FLEET within this game would stand a chance.
And I go with Burger on this, where does it mention that a crewed missile is a weapon system, according to the rules? Okay so you argue that anything used to damage an enemy vessel is a weapon system, so I fence my opponent in so he HAS to fly through an asteroid field, it damages his ship, so it's a weapon system now???? DO I GET A RE-ROLL ON THAT TOO?
The crewed missiles are fighters, that the Queen has determined are expendable, they are auxhiliary craft and thats why they come listed as part of the aux craft compliment on board the ship, not the weapon systems part of the profile. As burger said, they are aux craft not weapon systems, therefore by the letter of the rules cannot benefit from a scout re-direct.
Sorry guys; rant over.
re Suicide Drones / Fighters
In the right circumstances I can see pretty much all the races using Suicide Fighters.
The Narn and EA both do it in the show, Sheridan sends a White Star on a death dive at a planet - strecthing a bit but still........ I bet the Minbari would do it if the stakes were high enough. Shadows and Vorlons are using mere grown drones (vastly overpriced ones in the Shadows case but still mere drones)
re using a Scout re-roll - I don't agree with this for reasons already mentioned in this thread - game balance - you could also argue about if they should shoot on the way in as well?
In the right circumstances I can see pretty much all the races using Suicide Fighters.
The Narn and EA both do it in the show, Sheridan sends a White Star on a death dive at a planet - strecthing a bit but still........ I bet the Minbari would do it if the stakes were high enough. Shadows and Vorlons are using mere grown drones (vastly overpriced ones in the Shadows case but still mere drones)
re using a Scout re-roll - I don't agree with this for reasons already mentioned in this thread - game balance - you could also argue about if they should shoot on the way in as well?
Voronesh said:
hmm, I do remember a number of Minbari fighters moving next to their mothership when the Trigati (?) blew up? very sucidal even if they would not admit it. If the need was there and nly way to save other Minbari from destructon by ramming a ship etc - would they hesitate? Where does bravery stop and sucicidal bravery begin? Aren't the Rangers, inlcduing Minbari prepared to "die for the One"?
Well they are prepared to die for the One, but they sure as hell arent doing to do the deed. Dead servants cant serve after all. Only makes sense if death actually achieves something big.
And the Wind Swords, i dunno, they were always regarded as radical by the rest of the Minbari. They could suicide, but thats like the ISD for the DIlgar suicide rule, just as a faction rule. Dunno how to put it.
And the Wind Swords, i dunno, they were always regarded as radical by the rest of the Minbari. They could suicide, but thats like the ISD for the DIlgar suicide rule, just as a faction rule. Dunno how to put it.
No. 1 Bear
Mongoose
All i have to say is
Death or Glory.
Death or Glory.
Knight of ne
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
It does if you suceed.
Knight of Ne
Harry Lonsdale
Mongoose
p. 29, Fighter Attacks: "...in effect, all of your flights act as a single ship in the Attack Phase, with each flight being one weapon system"Burger said:
Of course, suicide fighters attack in the movement phase rather than the attack phase, but it does equate fighter flights to weapon systems. It also supports inq101's assertion that the reroll should apply to only 1 flight per scout.
David Anla Shok'
Mongoose
Reroll on a missed suicide run? Sure baby, as long as I get another antifighter or minibeam shot at your first.
I'm thinking that the BurgerMeister is right on here, the suicide fighter doesn't fall under the delineated weapons systems.
I'm thinking that the BurgerMeister is right on here, the suicide fighter doesn't fall under the delineated weapons systems.
