Campaign to fix the Warlock!
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prelude_to_war
Mongoose
Same problem here. I have one painted and one unassembled. I'll probably never assemble it at this point. I mean, how often does Armageddon happen anyway?!? Mongoose, please give us our War PL Warlock back.tomc300 said:
tomc300 said:
Just be thankful your Warlocks and Nemesis are a decent size and price instead of the stupid £30 quid for the oversized Ka'Bin'Tak or Brivoki amongst others
I do however think the Warlock should be War level, but then I don't think anyone should get an Armegeddon ship apart from Vorlons, Shadows, possibly the Sharlin and the Victory. I think the warlock being above a sharlin is a joke, the only thing that can take down a sharlin is an ancient, another sharlin, or a cunning trap using lots of mines
Goldritter
Mongoose
The Warlock should be (at best) on par with the Sharlin, not better.
So War is justified, Armageddon not.
If I remember right, than the Warlock was planned as a direkt foe for the Sharlin, unlike the Omega which was/is only a gapfiller.
And the EA has not the Tech (even with Shadow help) to create Ships which are better as the best the Minbari can create at the 59`s to 61`, were the Warlock was designed and build.
The Nemesis is another matter, but these ship was designet in the 70`s and with much more ShadowTech as the Warlock and after the EA has got many Technical Gimmicks from the ISA Members.
So War is justified, Armageddon not.
If I remember right, than the Warlock was planned as a direkt foe for the Sharlin, unlike the Omega which was/is only a gapfiller.
And the EA has not the Tech (even with Shadow help) to create Ships which are better as the best the Minbari can create at the 59`s to 61`, were the Warlock was designed and build.
The Nemesis is another matter, but these ship was designet in the 70`s and with much more ShadowTech as the Warlock and after the EA has got many Technical Gimmicks from the ISA Members.
sidewinder
Mongoose
Heres a question. Its part of crusade that EA was building the shadow hunters. The shadows had already left by then and EA was doing it all, so why doesnt EA get them in its fleet list instead of the Shadows? Make it the Armageddon choice for EA instead of the nemesis even.
captainsmirk
Mongoose
As far as we know they only had one, and that existed long before Crusade, based on when it destroyed Gideon's Omega, which was back during the Shadow War...
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
While wer're campaigning for EA changes, can we have Starfuries and Thunderbolts back to their SFoS stats? The new dogfight values are totally unfair.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Lord David the Denied said:
What's wrong with them?
They're too high compared to the other fighters of similar "value" (i.e. they get a lot more bang for their buck) whilst retaining their firepower. To be fair, I agree but would go about things by increasing numbers to other fighters as I feel the Thunderbolt and Starfury play very nicely and are just about worth taking as individual wings!emperorpenguin said:
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
The Starfury at +2, compared to the Nial at +3, is far too high. +1 is was ok, but if I remember correctly the ratio of losses in the E-M War was 4:1 in favour of the Nials. At +1 dogfight, 4 Starfury flights would be at an advantage vs 1 Nial flight, when the losses would indicate 4-1 odds were no cause for concern for the Minbari pilots.
Goldritter
Mongoose
And the this ratio include the looses of Starfurys through Capital Ships Anti Fighter fire. Don´t forgett the Minbari only uses Sharlins and these Ships have good Anti-Fighter Weapons.
(But we had these discussion in an other Thread, but I don´t know in which.)
And if you look at the Series you see, that the Starfury is dammed manouverable. So I think the Dogfight score is justified.
(But we had these discussion in an other Thread, but I don´t know in which.)
And if you look at the Series you see, that the Starfury is dammed manouverable. So I think the Dogfight score is justified.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Goldritter said:
Agreed, at just +1 they don't really stand out from the other alien fighters and we all know that the Starfury is an excellent fighter design, one thing the EA excelled at
I have no problem with Starfuries being the equal of Sentris
Seconded.
As for the poor old Warlock, it pains me that after Mongoose got it right (with the Tournament stats) they then proceeded to blow it (with Arma.).
It should go back to War PL, and the Command Omega should go to Battle - but with a limit; at least two non-command Omegas must be deployed for each Command variant used. They are flotilla leaders, and must have a flotilla to lead. The same consideration applies to the Command Hyperion.
Only issue I have with the new dogfight scores is the EA fighters were already the second best due to the afterburner allowing them to pick and choose their initial fights. What is the basis in the show that their fighters are as good or better than everyones but the Minbari...I just do not remember us 'knowing' they were some of the best fighters.
On the Warlock...yeah like a lot of things the tourney list was so good it almost makes me cry to see Mongoose throw it away like they did in favor of the SFoS lists.
Ripple
On the Warlock...yeah like a lot of things the tourney list was so good it almost makes me cry to see Mongoose throw it away like they did in favor of the SFoS lists.
Ripple
I don't either, it seems to fit their role in the show. Plenty of Starfuries are used too by the EA and they really are a fighter fleet as one of their strengths. The trick is making the numbers right on most fighters as individual wings and with carriers so that they are taken regularly but aren't overpowered.emperorpenguin said:
The Starfury and Thunderbolt seem to "feel right" now in their abilities
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