Box sets get a 13.7% increase
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godsgopher
Mongoose
I'm with napar one this one, where are you getting this information? I have not noticed it in a Signs & Portents, or a Mongoose Planet news list. Nor has a general web search revealed it.
lastbesthope
Mongoose
Napar said:
godsgopher said:
On the main Mongoose Website.
Rick said:
The point is that the dollar price has remained unchanged but the £GBP has gone up from £22 to £25.
LBH
Well if you look closer the price's are a bit messed up.
In S&P all the Dreadnought's are priced at $14.99 (£9.36), on the website they are $24.99 (£15.61), Im no legal expert but if its priced at $14.99 even if its a mistake you legal can pay $14.99.
also
box set $29.99 (£18.73)+ $6.00 P&P =$35.99 ( £22.48 )
box set £24.99 + £5.50 = £30.49
the P&P is for US/UK/Canada
I have not gone all the way with buying but does this mean we can pay alot less by just paying in the dollar instead of the pound.
I dont mean to be funny about all this but come on Mongoose, sit down with your finance team or what ever, should only really take you an hour, the info should be all there I hope and iron out these price's please.
Sorry for being a pain.
In S&P all the Dreadnought's are priced at $14.99 (£9.36), on the website they are $24.99 (£15.61), Im no legal expert but if its priced at $14.99 even if its a mistake you legal can pay $14.99.
also
box set $29.99 (£18.73)+ $6.00 P&P =$35.99 ( £22.48 )
box set £24.99 + £5.50 = £30.49
the P&P is for US/UK/Canada
I have not gone all the way with buying but does this mean we can pay alot less by just paying in the dollar instead of the pound.
I dont mean to be funny about all this but come on Mongoose, sit down with your finance team or what ever, should only really take you an hour, the info should be all there I hope and iron out these price's please.
Sorry for being a pain.
The fleet sets went through a price adjustment for no other reason than we wanted to match (that is, not undercut) the price sold by retailers in the UK (there is a lot of background to this, but it basically comes down to distribution costs and VAT).
Not wanting to undercut retailers, we adjusted our prices to match (but kept the Megadeal the same, so that is even better value now).
Not wanting to undercut retailers, we adjusted our prices to match (but kept the Megadeal the same, so that is even better value now).
Thanks for the reply Mongoose and for backing up the retailers.
but it sounds like to me that the distributors are ripping the retailers and YOU off, It really says something when the manufactures have to go off and raise the RRP because of the distributors cost, just to by the sound of things to give the retailers a chance of making some money.
I’m not totally sour but was there something about the distributors with B5 adding to its reasons for being stopped.
All in all From the research I’ve done It looks like to me that Mongoose has a crappie deal with a distributer in the UK but has a good deal with a distributer in the US, So I will for one be trying to get my stock imported from the US.
I would also like to add I don’t have all the facts so this is a bit of guess work as well as research, so please don’t take anything I have said as fact, Thank you
but it sounds like to me that the distributors are ripping the retailers and YOU off, It really says something when the manufactures have to go off and raise the RRP because of the distributors cost, just to by the sound of things to give the retailers a chance of making some money.
I’m not totally sour but was there something about the distributors with B5 adding to its reasons for being stopped.
All in all From the research I’ve done It looks like to me that Mongoose has a crappie deal with a distributer in the UK but has a good deal with a distributer in the US, So I will for one be trying to get my stock imported from the US.
I would also like to add I don’t have all the facts so this is a bit of guess work as well as research, so please don’t take anything I have said as fact, Thank you
Genessis said:Thanks for the reply Mongoose and for backing up the retailers.
but it sounds like to me that the distributors are ripping the retailers and YOU off, It really says something when the manufactures have to go off and raise the RRP because of the distributors cost, just to by the sound of things to give the retailers a chance of making some money.
I’m not totally sour but was there something about the distributors with B5 adding to its reasons for being stopped.
All in all From the research I’ve done It looks like to me that Mongoose has a crappie deal with a distributer in the UK but has a good deal with a distributer in the US, So I will for one be trying to get my stock imported from the US.
I would also like to add I don’t have all the facts so this is a bit of guess work as well as research, so please don’t take anything I have said as fact, Thank you
in fairness.
I am a dealer (for example) I decide to sell CTA. I contact the distributor, who will have paid Mongoose X. He will sell it to nme for X+% because HE wants to be able to pay his warehouse rent, his staff costs, and build a nestegg for retirement. I the Dealer, ne retailer, then mark it uop as X+% (distributor) plus postage, plus my %, because I too have rent to pay, I also have to pay any staff, and build my own nest egg.
Mongoose will still make A profit at the lower price, because they are not stupid and have the manufacturing costs, their own rent and wages, but it is still 2 extra lots of costs LESS than the dealer/retailer. Therefore to say the retailer is ripping you off is maybe a touch harsh. Everyone is in business, and they have to make money. If the retailers sold the sets at the same price as mongoose could, they may struggle to make the required amounts to make it a comercially viable product to stock. It's not rocjket science really, just common business sense. I would imagine a £4 increase could easily be explained merely by the postage costs From mongoose to distributor to retailor. , but wherelse can you buy that many ships for £25? it's a little over a £1 per ship
godsgopher
Mongoose
A very concise and well structured argument. Thank you for sharing that with us Master Hiff.
my spelling was bloody atrocious though!
I forgot to add.
Mongoose undercutting the retailers would have multiple effects. Firstly no-one with internet access and a credit card would buy from the retailer, preffering to deal direct for the saving. This would lead to retailers potentially not stocking the product as they could not compete on price. other retailers who had a go, may loose out as with only a few customers, the distributor could stop stocking the product. This would lead to Mongoose being the only stockist of their product, This may sound good at first, but with no street based retail outlets, the system would not gain impulse buys, no one could buy on an OOOh factor after seeing models in the flesh, and naturally if you didn't have a credit card, or don't want to use them online you also wouldn't buy. As well as some customers not being pleased at this, you also stand to alienate the distributor and individual retailers when you plan your next model/book launches. People have long memories for cock ups in the wargaming and roleplay arenas.
I forgot to add.
Mongoose undercutting the retailers would have multiple effects. Firstly no-one with internet access and a credit card would buy from the retailer, preffering to deal direct for the saving. This would lead to retailers potentially not stocking the product as they could not compete on price. other retailers who had a go, may loose out as with only a few customers, the distributor could stop stocking the product. This would lead to Mongoose being the only stockist of their product, This may sound good at first, but with no street based retail outlets, the system would not gain impulse buys, no one could buy on an OOOh factor after seeing models in the flesh, and naturally if you didn't have a credit card, or don't want to use them online you also wouldn't buy. As well as some customers not being pleased at this, you also stand to alienate the distributor and individual retailers when you plan your next model/book launches. People have long memories for cock ups in the wargaming and roleplay arenas.
Hi master hiff, what you say makes sense but I think there is a bit of wire crossing here 
, what I was trying to say was, it’s the UK distributor that is making it hard for mongoose and retailers in my opinion.
I don’t want to go into detail to much as I’m not sore what mongoose’s rules are on people giving out details on all this stuff on the forum, but What I think I can say is, the UK distributer from what I found gives a crappie % off rrp (I would say almost pointless to deal with even worse than Games workshop and that’s saying something) but the US distributer gives a good % off rrp as well as its all cheaper there as well adding to even more % off rrp.
For this reason, I think mongoose added that 13.7% (note only to UK RRP) to increase the % for retailers in the UK to deal with the UK distributor in a way that they could make money.
Hell mongoose even wrote here saying they did not won’t to undercut retailers, which could mean a lot of things, but I’ve seen how much it would cost to buy from a UK distributor.
I think the overall point is I’m trying to say is, it does not make sense when the manufacturer has to increase RRP so that retailers can buy from the distributor to start making any money , its almost as if mongoose did not know what the distributer was going to charge the retailer, and why doesn’t the US have all this, I though mongoose was a UK Company.
, what I was trying to say was, it’s the UK distributor that is making it hard for mongoose and retailers in my opinion.I don’t want to go into detail to much as I’m not sore what mongoose’s rules are on people giving out details on all this stuff on the forum, but What I think I can say is, the UK distributer from what I found gives a crappie % off rrp (I would say almost pointless to deal with even worse than Games workshop and that’s saying something) but the US distributer gives a good % off rrp as well as its all cheaper there as well adding to even more % off rrp.
For this reason, I think mongoose added that 13.7% (note only to UK RRP) to increase the % for retailers in the UK to deal with the UK distributor in a way that they could make money.
Hell mongoose even wrote here saying they did not won’t to undercut retailers, which could mean a lot of things, but I’ve seen how much it would cost to buy from a UK distributor.
I think the overall point is I’m trying to say is, it does not make sense when the manufacturer has to increase RRP so that retailers can buy from the distributor to start making any money , its almost as if mongoose did not know what the distributer was going to charge the retailer, and why doesn’t the US have all this, I though mongoose was a UK Company.
Genessis said:Hi master hiff, what you say makes sense but I think there is a bit of wire crossing here
I don’t want to go into detail to much as I’m not sore what mongoose’s rules are on people giving out details on all this stuff on the forum, but What I think I can say is, the UK distributer from what I found gives a crappie % off rrp (I would say almost pointless to deal with even worse than Games workshop and that’s saying something) but the US distributer gives a good % off rrp as well as its all cheaper there as well adding to even more % off rrp.
For this reason, I think mongoose added that 13.7% (note only to UK RRP) to increase the % for retailers in the UK to deal with the UK distributor in a way that they could make money.
Hell mongoose even wrote here saying they did not won’t to undercut retailers, which could mean a lot of things, but I’ve seen how much it would cost to buy from a UK distributor.
I think the overall point is I’m trying to say is, it does not make sense when the manufacturer has to increase RRP so that retailers can buy from the distributor to start making any money , its almost as if mongoose did not know what the distributer was going to charge the retailer, and why doesn’t the US have all this, I though mongoose was a UK Company.
I can have a pretty educated guess on the distributor, I may well concur with what you say, allegedly. Or it "could" be a genuine mistake on pricing,
Okay, Rumour Control
First off, we do not feel the main UK distributor is making things hard for us - in our experience, said distributor is one of the best in the business. They have always supported us through the years, and have never been late with a cheque. Not always the most obvious trait for a distributor
Also, the distribution system in the UK and Europe operates differently than in the US. For a start, the UK distributor has to pay for product to be shipped from the US. US distributors do not pay for their own shipping.
The UK distributor also has to deal with import duties on minis that do not exist with books. Finally, the spectre of VAT rears its head which, I think everyone in the UK will agree, is a truly sick beast at the moment.
All of this goes to making selling to UK distribution a giant pain in the backside for both parties Now, we do not have a high level of pricing to begin with and, for £25-odd, you are getting a lot of metal for your money. If we had decided, say, to charge £30 for the basic box set, we would have just lowered our own cost to the UK distributor and swallowed the difference. However, with the lower price point (and the presence of VAT), neither we nor the distributor can reasonably do that.
So, at the end of the day, umm, yes, blame the government! Without import duties and high VAT, we wouldn't have this situation. However, we can make the best of it, by doing our best to treat retailers and gamers as fairly as possible while still making sure we can get cool minis onto the shelves of your local stores.
First off, we do not feel the main UK distributor is making things hard for us - in our experience, said distributor is one of the best in the business. They have always supported us through the years, and have never been late with a cheque. Not always the most obvious trait for a distributor
Also, the distribution system in the UK and Europe operates differently than in the US. For a start, the UK distributor has to pay for product to be shipped from the US. US distributors do not pay for their own shipping.
The UK distributor also has to deal with import duties on minis that do not exist with books. Finally, the spectre of VAT rears its head which, I think everyone in the UK will agree, is a truly sick beast at the moment.
All of this goes to making selling to UK distribution a giant pain in the backside for both parties
Now, we do not have a high level of pricing to begin with and, for £25-odd, you are getting a lot of metal for your money. If we had decided, say, to charge £30 for the basic box set, we would have just lowered our own cost to the UK distributor and swallowed the difference. However, with the lower price point (and the presence of VAT), neither we nor the distributor can reasonably do that.So, at the end of the day, umm, yes, blame the government!
Without import duties and high VAT, we wouldn't have this situation. However, we can make the best of it, by doing our best to treat retailers and gamers as fairly as possible while still making sure we can get cool minis onto the shelves of your local stores.
