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Nadia Grell

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I am looking for a MTG2 version of the Vilani.

Also, is there a list of MTG2 published races outside Th Third Imperium, Aliens of Chartered Space and Players Guide
 
I should have mentioned there's a list on another thread that has a link to a pdf that lists loads of things. I'll try and find it.

Here it is:
 
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If you are playing a Third Imperial human without stating you belong to a minor race then you are most likely Vilani. A very small percentage of modern (IY 1105) humans will be of mixed Vilani/Solomani or Vilani/(other human minor race) and thus very similar to Vilani. Some local regions of the Imperium may over represent a particular lineage - the home region of a minor human race, in the Spinward Marches humans from Terra (Scandanavians) settled the Sword Worlds, and other humans from Earth (Turks) merged with the Darrians.

The Syleans who founded the Third Imperium consist of Solomani (ruling elite), Solomani/Vilani, Vilani, Solomani/Sylean, Vilani/Sylean, Sylean and of course you may have Solomani, Vilani and Sylean genes in your make up.

One of the all time biggest mistakes made by GDW and GDW was to ignore this, and then present Vilani as significantly different to baseline Terran humans.

Totally heretical statement to follow and many will not believe I am typing this...

Mongoose should ignore previous "canon" and make Vilani and Solomani more similar than different if they ever do a Vilani book.
 
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Mongoose should ignore previous "canon" and make Vilani and Solomani more similar than different if they ever do a Vilani book.
Pretty much agree. In fact, unless there are major physiological differences, we will tend to keep all humans mechanically the same. Careers may vary (rarely) but that is a cultural thing.

Add to that, the proportion of 'true' Vilani among Travellers is going to be very low. Humans do what humans do when they get together.
 
TV adverts aside how common are inter-racial marriages?
A quick Google suggests a fifth today in the US (UK less, but I might think that is due to raw numbers rather than a cultural thing). Add to that a more cosmopolitan society in Charted Space (usually) and then give it a few centuries, and I think we are good? The remaining twits among the Solomani will slowly erode over time. I mean, if younger Geonee can see sense, then there is hope for those of Terran descent.
 
Going by scifi novels, there's a sense of us against them, once they meet non Terran lifeforms.

And the Solomani appear to meet enough of them.
 
TV adverts aside how common are inter-racial marriages?

In the US it looks like 10%.

In the UK it looks like as of 2021 2.7% of children born are mixed race, so 2.7% would be a good indicator for "marriage" or other relationship which produces children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_(United_Kingdom_ethnicity_category) I know it's wikipedia, but the other sources I was finding discussed marriage rates in general.

I am looking for a MTG2 version of the Vilani.

Also, is there a list of MTG2 published races outside Th Third Imperium, Aliens of Chartered Space and Players Guide

I don't think there's a Vilani writeup outside of what we can glean from Third Imperium and MgT2e CRB. It's something I'd really like Mongoose to address, and I've made threads about that now and then. The Vilani are by far the majority population of the Imperium. They're the people characters are going to meet and interact with within the Imperium, and without a fairly deep discussion of their culture and values it leaves us a bit in lurch as to how to portray them. IMO forcing referees and players to create their own Vilani cultures drives them apart as to their shared understanding of the Charted Space Universe.
 
We already know that the Zhodani have evolved from the original transplanted stock and can be medically identified as Zhodani, but can pass as an Imperial human.

"The humans in the city scattered, taking to the wild. Gene analysis performed in modern times indicates that the total number of human refugees who survived was on the order of 50,000 (+/- 10,000).

In a short 20,000 years, the glaciers of the ice age began to retreat. Nomadic human hunter-gatherers ranged over Dleqiats, following herds of grazers. Slowly, these primitive men developed the first rudiments of technology: stone tools, huts, fishing. By - 250,000, a primitive human which the Zhodani call Zhdatl (Homo Zhdatl; Learning Man) had established himself in the northern mid-latitudes of Dleqiats. Shortly thereafter, a rival race of primitive man called Vlastebr (Homo Vlastebr; Superior Man) emerged in the southern mid-latitudes of the same continent.
In about - 200,000, the two distinct human races clashed as each expanded under population pressure into the other's domain. The mixing of the races created (over the next 40,000 years) Zhdotlas (Homo Zhdotlas; Supreme Man). Zhdotlas spent a long time in a period of very slow evolution. The prevalent theory is that nearly 120,000 years was spent evolving basic abilities to communicate vocally, establishing social customs which favored survival and later ascendance."

This compares with the presence of erectus, neanderthal, sapiens, denisovans and floresiensis co-evolving on Earth and hybridising over time. It may even be that the Ancients had a hand in the "evolution" of sapiens and denisovans - or you can just blame the Anunnaki :)

That the Vilani were transplanted and remained Vilani for 300,000 years is a bit of a mystery, maybe the Ancients modified their DNA to resist mutaion and evolution as some sort of "control" experiment?
 
Has there ever been any suggestion that the Vilani are meaningfully different from the Solomani physiologically? Supposedly they tend to live a bit longer, but not like centuries or anything. Other than that, the entire difference is cultural. And that's not going to last in the wide wide worlds. Anyone from the Vilani cultural homeland (vilani or not) is probably Vilani culture, but outside of that it's gonna be variant cultures up the wazoo given things like the Long Night and just the length of time in communication.

On side note, I think the main function of the lesser Imperial Nobility is not governance, but creating a pool of people who see themselves as Imperials first, Planetary citizens second. Because that's probably rare.
 
I think that, mechanically, the Vilani are well-served by the default human rules, with differences being simply aesthetic (prevalence of tan/olive skin tones, light eye shades including amber-gold, etc.).

What I do think we're sorely missing though is a supplement that delves deep into Vilani culture, which has been very under-explored so far in Mongoose Traveller. Previous editions have also generally had information about the Vilani sort of scattered around, not concatenated in a single tome, with the exceptions of DGP's Dogs & Cogs Vargr & Vilani and GURPS Traveller's Interstellar Wars.

It's very hard for a newcomer to Charted Space to 'get' the Vilani presently, and I very much intend to go about changing that.
 
TV adverts aside how common are inter-racial marriages?

I'm willing to bet that there's a higher percentage among the 3I versions of Humanity, especially between the Solomani Rim and just coreward of Core Sector. That's where the racial (but not necessarily *cultural*) influence of those pesky Solomani starts to thin out.

No doubt there's a higher percentage of mixed Humans in the Solomani Confederation as well, despite what SolSec wants us to believe. :)
 
It's very hard for a newcomer to Charted Space to 'get' the Vilani presently, and I very much intend to go about changing that.

That's encouraging, I hope you do. It's a glaring problem when the overwhelming majority of the Imperial population isn't really characterized.

There were probably trillions of Vilani living in the Ziru Sirka at the time of the Solomani Conquest, so if every Solomani married a Vilani spouse, all that would happen is that the Solomani would be assimilated into the greater Vilani population like a drop in a bucket. This assimilation would only happen on worlds where Solomani visited or had families. A small military governance team or even a military garrison would make no difference. There would still be at the very least hundreds of billions of pure Vilani, ethnically, culturally, and linguistically. Over time, the Vilani language might pick up some loanwords from various Terran languages and Rule of Man Anglic, maybe some fashions, music, and perhaps a few customs.

But then the Long Night cut off all contact with Terra and the Solomani Rim for 1500 years. Vilani ways would predominate, and in time Solomani customs and language would disappear. Only on worlds with a large self-sustaining Solomani population would anything Solomani remain. During the Long Night, interstellar travel was at a bare minimum, so there weren't great flows of people between worlds. I'd say there probably weren't any, with all the reavers and pirates that canon assures us were ravaging the spacelanes. Therefore, worlds with no or few Solomani would be Vilani through and through. On worlds with large Solomani populations, like at least 100,000, there would be some mixed people, a remaining Solomani community, and the vast majority of people would be pure Vilani. On worlds that had large evenly-sized communities of Solomani and Vilani, there would be a pure Solomani population, a population of mixed people, and a pure Vilani population.

There's this old idea that when two groups of people inhabit the same area (like a continent or a planet) they all inevitably become intermixed, like pouring two flavors of soda into a glass or something. But that's not what happens. It's more like a Venn diagram. Exceptions are times of conquest. The men of the defeated population are killed, and the women end up with men of the conquering population, willingly or not. This is what creates somewhat of a total mixing effect. Even then, there will still be pure people of the conqueror population, since they will have families from the old country that will join them. Another scenario is when one population is devastated to the point where its members have a hard time finding marriage partners in the areas where they live, so they take up with whatever they can get of the choices available.

Another important factor is cultural perceptions the populations have of each other.

Vilani would probably consider Solomani absolutely disgusting. Most Solomani the Vilani would've met would've been spacefarers and military personnel who brought plague after plague, including the plague of STD's. There probably would've been immense social pressure on Vilani women to have nothing to do with these dirty destructive invaders. The Solomani ruined everything. They brought war, plagues, and in their foolishness they swept away the social, political, and economic foundations of the ancient Ziru Sirka. Their Ramshackle Empire lasted only a few centuries, and then everything descended into darkness. But, I suppose some Vilani girls will do anything for a credit, so intermixing occurred.
 
Quote from T5 on Charted Space and Humaniti's dispersion by the Ancients:
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While the Vilani settled most of the worlds of the Ziru Sirkaa, there are more than a hundred human minor races within Charted Space. Most of them are basically interchangeable physically with Terran humans. And we probably haven't met even half the humans out there.
 
No doubt there's a higher percentage of mixed Humans in the Solomani Confederation as well, despite what SolSec wants us to believe. :)

I'm sure the Confederation government would test the population world by world then require gene editing for loyal citizens with non-Solomani heritage.
 
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