Bf evo should it be 15mm or 20mm and why

[EvilGinger]

I am sure that BF Evo will be a good fun game and that’s what it’s supposed to be not a simulation. I have not tried it yet but I have played the current Starship troopers rules which work well and are quick and fun. Indeed the game is currently my second favourite Si fi Skirmish rules system equal with the RPG which makes a splendid section based game. My favourite remains Stargrunt which operates on the same platoon to company level

 

[weasel_fierce]

What it comes down to, and I think I've ssaid this before, is whether you're looking for an accurate simulation or a quick,fun game. I vote for fun.

You seem to have a mistaken belief that a game cannot give a decent simulation, as well as a fun game.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

Nah, I was being facetious for the sake of comedy. I'm sure there's tons of highly involved and complex and realistic games that are pots of fun - I can think of at least one I play on a regular basis (though it's not terribly realistic)

I mean, Advanced Squad Leader was consistently hailed as one of the best small unit games ever, but you know, I don't necessarily want to spend ages setting up and playing, when I can get 2 or 3 games of SST (or BFE by extension) in the same timeframe.

Of course, anyone who's advocating a change in scale, rules or mini size at this point (or indeed, at any point that the public knew about BFE) is really just tilting at windmills - all such choices were made well before now, and if you're looking for something other than SST, but with slightly revised rules and modern troops then you may be barking up the wrong tree.

 

[weasel_fierce]

Gotcha Though I'll still maintain that a realistic feeling does NOT equal complexity or minute detail.

If Im playing a company level game, having rules for individual machine guns running out of ammunition and needing reloads isnt realistic. A company commander is concerned with the position of the squad, and how his platoons are holding up, not each trooper's minutiae.


EDIT: and yes, the decisions are made. A more interesting discussion is how to play the game with 15mm toys or whatever, for those who want to do this, INSTEAD. Not that those plastic guys look bad at all.....

 

[EvilGinger]

There is nothing what so ever to stop a player taking the rules and using whatever figures that they feel appropriate especially if they already had suitable forces.

 

[soulman]

After reading and enjoying the complete rules for Bf, and looking at ww2 version, i must say i may start ww2 Evo in 20mm/ 1/72 scale first

Sitting around the house is 2 dragon tigers, 4 x corgi sherman and panthers, all i need is some metal infantry, easier to paint then 28mm i guess.

For me, its the rules, not the figures, and of course money and table space to play.

28mm tanks are around £20.00 each, and the same in 20mm are around 5 to 6 pounds, metal and painted.

I have a blackhawk , metal and ready to use with Evo, the length is 12"..!!!!

Bloody looks great on the table, even that everybody is in range to shoot at it..!!!!

Saying that, if you like painting metal figs, i have seen a box of 24 28mm usa ww2 infantry sell around £20.00, and for modern 20mm figs its £4.00 for 10..!!!!!

For Bf evo
so in 28mm 1x abrams and 2x 8 men squads are £60.00
In 20mm ( pre painted tank ) and paint your own infantry its around £16-18.00.

And you can have bigger battles...

The choice is yours, what scale you use, mongoose rules are the best for a quick and fast placed game, and so easy to design you own units too.

Well done to mongoose on the rules...

 

[Col. Hammer]

I don't like these people, who come here on the mongoose forums, bragging how they will take only the rules (basic rules are free, advanced rules cost whatever the bf:evo book will cost, not much anyway...) and then play with their own figs (of whatever scale).

So you came here telling us that you will take the game rules, thank you very much, but don't want to give mongoose even a dime for their efforts (i.e. buy their miniatures).

There is nothing to stop you from doing that, but could you have the decensy to not to brag about it here on mongooses forum?

I will buy mongooses figs to play this game (and SST:evo, and WW2:evo if it ever becomes reality) because I like them and I want to support mongoose with my money, so that they can continue doing these games.

I know I'll get slapped on the wrist by mongooses moderator for saying this out loud, but that's what I think. If you don't want to support mongoose with your money (i.e. buy and use their figs with their games) then please stay out of mongooses forum and keep your thoughts to yourselves!

 

[dyssnowman]

Why would you be slapped on the wrist for this? If the moderators don't say anything about people posting release schedules for companies that they are in direct competition with, why would they reprimand you for saying something in support of Mongoose?

 

[BuShips]

Well, forum postings can be read in various ways. I didn't see that he was bragging so much as stating his preference in scale. I didn't see the emotion in it that other's might see. Oh, well.

 

[xeoran]

So what, people shouldn't use companies rules without spending cash on their other products even if they like them? Sounds like a crap deal to me. I mean seriously thats nonsense. So next time I want a Hasslefree fig I should buy their whole range too? Next time I buy a dishwasher I should also buy that companies fridge too? If MGP puts out the book seperately then I don't think they mind. That arguement is almost TMP-ish in its silliness (you don't have a thing about US M1 helmets right?:wink: )

As for staying off MGP's forums? Whut? Madness I say. The rules are still a MGP product so if people want to talk about that product, their ideas for missions, conversion ideas for the system etc. then they should be more than welcome. They are still contributing.

I may as well come out and say that I never really buy MGP's figs (beyond Exos and LAMI) but use their rules because I like them. Should I have my hand slapped then?

What you suggest seems strangely like the GW code of love us or leave us. No room for a quick snuggle at all.

 

[soulman]

No slapped wrists for anybody, mongoose have done a great job with the Evo rules, i myself was a playtester and helped shaped the rules, and as i speak, helping with ww2 Evo as well.

For me, when i get a chance to test and play ww2, i will be using what i have on hand, i have boxed tanks to use with " operation overlord " rules, which are good, but mongoose are doing faster play rules, so i wil, use my corgi shermans and dragon tigers etc.

Alot of people already have modern figs, but the rules are not as fun as mongoose, so the moment the hardback book is our, some people, weill aleady have blackhawks, hummers, the complete works at hand.

WW2 Evo will be bigger then the modern, with or without pre-painted figs, if mongoose can bring across the old ww2 players onto their rules, that would be great.
Look at salute, some of the ww2 games i saw in 20mm or 28mm was stunning, but slow to play , now people can say what stunning models you have, and find out what rules, and fingers crossed people wil say, " Mongoose ".
Some game i saw take hours to move all the units, with rules for spotting etc, mongoose comes along and brings ww2 to all us, god bless them for that.

On my dinning table, i can have a couple of shermans in 28mm, or around 10 in 20mm, depends on the size of the game you wish to play, bridge too far in 28mm would be the best of course.

Fingers crossed for salute, that mongoose sell out all their copies of BF, and that people run across the room and buy eurofighters kits, and all the models they want, and then spread the good word about what a great game it is.

Well done to mongoose for bringing out a great set on rules, maybe a chance to play some falkland island battles with it, its so easy to do..

 

[Soulmage]

I have to agree. Its your choice of course what you choose to spend your money on. But talking on a company's own forums about how you won't be buying most of their products is pretty tacky.

 

[soulman]

Hi guys, if you talking about my posts, sorry to rattle you, and of course i will be buying mongoose figs, their 3 MEA techs are a great price and pre- painted too, at the moment i have 2 resin ones, with 30 odd somlia fighters, for my blackhawk down games, which by the way will be great will the helicopter rules that BF evo have.

And i`m waiting for VAS to come out, i guess with the counters i will not be buying other models.

As for using other peoples models for other rule sets, thats no problem, mongoose have let lose some starwars stats for CTA, using wizkids models i guess.

My posts had nothing to do about costs of pre-painted etc, i love mongoose, i`m behind them 100% in all their games, now if they could bring out a zombie game i be over the moon..!!!!!

Look at gangs of mega city, i was thinking of useing it for rouge trooper or gears of war tabletop...

As you know a lot of choice for BF. and LOADS of choice for WW2 Evo when the time comes, Look at AT43, some of the walkers with be great to use with SST Evo, as i don`t like AT43 rules at all.

Then again AT43 people, may use mongoose bugs for that...!!

But i`m behing mongoose 100%, their rule sets are great, and the pre-painted is a new start for wargaming, a bright future for them in 2007, and i will stand behind them 100%.

Off to watch torchwood..!!!

 

[BuShips]

soulman, maybe the WW2 version could be called "Battlefield: Retrolution" due to it being in the past :wink: . I would like to see a WW2 version of BF:E, and I haven't even seen the (complete) rules for BF:E yet. As for profit motive, just think of all of the variants Mongoose could offer for even the M4 Sherman- M4A1 75mm (cast hull), M4A3 75mm (welded hull), M4A3 76mm, M4A3 105mm howitzer, M4A3E2 "Jumbo", M4A3E8 "Easy Eight", and the M4A4 "Firefly" (Shiny!!!). :wink:

 

[soulman]

So true, by the way i love your 3d ship drawing, very nice indeed, i have read a load of modern rule sets, and BF is the best for quick play, easy to understand, and its so easy to do your own units, i could write the stats now, for a blackhawk, or a hummer, and play away.

Think about the falklands, with the infantry, and planes flying over, sas raids on airstrips etc...!!!!

WW2 will be the key one, mongoose have moved into modern combat and now about to step in ww2 navel, and if all go`s well ww2 Evo, i don`t know when its coming out or anything like that, maybe the hardback rules should come first, or as BF wave 1 with the basic rules etc.

They seem to be grabbing the 4 corners of the blanket so to speak, and thats great, i love only mongoose at the moment, they have let me playtest BF, and now WW2 Evo, And other bits and bobs, i think i cannot say, i`m so pleased they have let me throw my ideas around, and not my toys out of the pram..!!!

VAS, i`m so looking forward for, easy to play, with colour counters, and lets people lean a little about history, before trying to sink your friends ships to the ocean floor.?

Mongoose knows that what type of rules you bring out, someone already sells models for it, look at ww2 if you go to salute and see the stuff off dreams...!! and a nightmare for the bank account...

I myself wish to turn VAS into a startrek system, i will thinkabout this when 1m playing legacy on the 360 this weekend..!!!

As for the sherman, you only need to sell a " turret " upgrade set, and snap the one you want into the body, i like the one with large speakers in it..!!!!
Back to the history channel now... sleep well skip, i`m off before my spelling go`s 100% out of the window

 

[weasel_fierce]

I don't like these people, who come here on the mongoose forums, bragging how they will take only the rules (basic rules are free, advanced rules cost whatever the bf:evo book will cost, not much anyway...) and then play with their own figs (of whatever scale).

I'll support Mongoose if they make a product I want to buy. If they dont, then I vote with my wallet and buy something else.