Beams Why?
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emperorpenguin
Mongoose
CZuschlag said:
I think so, Dilgar still get their masters of destruction bonus which ups the damage from your criticals.
And as you said CAF! is a consideration too.
In all honesty I really like the MoD special rule and think it would perfectly fit the fanheads!
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
CZuschlag said:
well the beamy goodness isn't so good anymore
overall the centauri are more fragile with forward weapons where the Dilgar have more of a weapons spread
Court Jester
Mongoose
emperorpenguin said:
You do know you have just opened a can of worms here...
I can hear hordes of panicing gamers franticly typing at their keyboards...
"WHY MONGOOSE... WHY HAVE YOU RUINED MY LIFE"!
:wink:
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Court Jester said:
Well it was widely held belief that Centauri "beam-teams" were too good and they couldn't very well get better ion cannons without a trade-off (much as I'd have wanted it being a Centauri player!)
Well given that even on the fleets that are considered "finished" for the moment, we will be revisiting everything once we've been over it all, the stats are still open to change - in the case of the Centauri, very much so as we're still right in the middle of them.tneva82 said:emperorpenguin said:Well this is what Matt said in the "Progress on 2nd ed" thread
Yes I have seen that but we haven't seen any ship stats yet in reality
Triggy said:
Which doesn't change the fact I want to see them ASAP :lol:
Hey I'm curious. What's so weird about that one :wink:
I have been curious to see new look of centauri from the second I read Matt's post about them going for ion cannons in next edition. Can't wait to see the finished stats.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
Well Ive heard mixed things about planned changes to beams and planned changes to the Centauri and I have to say, as far as the Centauri are concerned Im optimistic. The 'beam-team' WAS just boring to play against and left the centauri needing little tactics more than just line up and fire. My big hope is that the Vorchan becomes a worthy ship now 
Beams.... well in all honesty at the moment I think ACTA is a little too beam dominated and a shift towards different weapons would be a 'very good thing' but Im not sure theres a problem with how beams actually work at the moment, just that they are so prevalent.
Beams.... well in all honesty at the moment I think ACTA is a little too beam dominated and a shift towards different weapons would be a 'very good thing' but Im not sure theres a problem with how beams actually work at the moment, just that they are so prevalent.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
a little like this...
:lol: couldn't resist!
as Triggy said they're in playtest right now but as a general rule just think less powerful beam, more powerful twin array, the ADs could change
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
animus said:
just get me to make those interceptor rolls, you'll be amazed by my ability to roll 1's
I wouldn't worry about that. Under the current mechanics interceptors are very easily overloaded and quickly become a non-factor. Generally speaking it only takes 4 hits before the interceptors are down to a single die needing a 6 to block the shot. Any other hits after that are almost certain to go through. Try playing a game of EA Vs. Dilgar. You would think that the interceptor heavy EA would make it through with minimal trouble, but that just isn't the case.
who has what? beams? lots of people have them, most have been tweaked slightly in AD. the centauri as mentioned still have them but the focus is no longer on their beams.
against differant hulls though you will have to wait and see, or see if matt posts anymore, or perhaps even ask someone who went to Masters of War tourney last year if they can remember how 2e beams worked in the preview.
against differant hulls though you will have to wait and see, or see if matt posts anymore, or perhaps even ask someone who went to Masters of War tourney last year if they can remember how 2e beams worked in the preview.
Court Jester
Mongoose
animus said:
I think the term "super dominance" could maybe be a touch of hyperbole...
Lets not jump to extreme conclusions...
The problem with interceptors is that they do not scale well with either the size of a fight or the length of a fight.
Low PL/low point games can often produce fights where a ship with an interceptor basically shrugs off all the interceptable hits from a ship of equivalent class. This means two or more ships have to combine fire on a single ship just to have an effect. In large games where 20 or more AD are hitting a ship the amount stopped by interceptors is a small percentage, but when only 8 AD are hitting (normal for 16 AP AD against hull 5) it 50% of the firepower. Its worse for ships with small amounts of AD but each is double or triple damage.
In longer games you have the issue that eventually they end up being smaller game with only a few ships left. I had one game where a Maximus trailed my Raider Battlewagon for four turns unable to put a single point into. Sure I was barely above crippled and had no way of affecting the Maximus, but the interceptors won me the game because he could not cross that threshold and get a hit through. This doesn't happen with other defense systems (or with enhanced damage like the narn have) as there is no threshold you have to overcome.
Not saying that statistically it can't work out, just saying that interceptors scale very oddly, and that accurately pointing them is difficult as they have radically different effects on the game depending on opponent, size of game and how long the game lasts.
Ripple
Low PL/low point games can often produce fights where a ship with an interceptor basically shrugs off all the interceptable hits from a ship of equivalent class. This means two or more ships have to combine fire on a single ship just to have an effect. In large games where 20 or more AD are hitting a ship the amount stopped by interceptors is a small percentage, but when only 8 AD are hitting (normal for 16 AP AD against hull 5) it 50% of the firepower. Its worse for ships with small amounts of AD but each is double or triple damage.
In longer games you have the issue that eventually they end up being smaller game with only a few ships left. I had one game where a Maximus trailed my Raider Battlewagon for four turns unable to put a single point into. Sure I was barely above crippled and had no way of affecting the Maximus, but the interceptors won me the game because he could not cross that threshold and get a hit through. This doesn't happen with other defense systems (or with enhanced damage like the narn have) as there is no threshold you have to overcome.
Not saying that statistically it can't work out, just saying that interceptors scale very oddly, and that accurately pointing them is difficult as they have radically different effects on the game depending on opponent, size of game and how long the game lasts.
Ripple
I have to agree that interceptors play crazy.....
But generally myself i roll very bad with them, so i could just trat my Centauri (Oct especially) as having int1.......
OTOH i have defeated interceptors with a single prefect (Yer yer just fire the twin particles and hope for a 6-6 on the DD weapons, it might just work).
So actually i have to say, beams are nice, but i rarely truly use them......my G'Quans live off ship-killers, and im far more fond of Twin particles and Matter cannons with Centauri (yer i guess i dont like the beam team, have to admit to my shame that i ised it once).
So while interceptors scale very funny. I dont think that they play a big role currently. Unless we are talking a skirmish lvl ship tryint to take down raid and above ^^. Hule 6 is already a problem for a Maximus, Interceptors are just too much for it.
But generally myself i roll very bad with them, so i could just trat my Centauri (Oct especially) as having int1.......
OTOH i have defeated interceptors with a single prefect (Yer yer just fire the twin particles and hope for a 6-6 on the DD weapons, it might just work).
So actually i have to say, beams are nice, but i rarely truly use them......my G'Quans live off ship-killers, and im far more fond of Twin particles and Matter cannons with Centauri (yer i guess i dont like the beam team, have to admit to my shame that i ised it once).
So while interceptors scale very funny. I dont think that they play a big role currently. Unless we are talking a skirmish lvl ship tryint to take down raid and above ^^. Hule 6 is already a problem for a Maximus, Interceptors are just too much for it.
