battlefield evoulution

msprange said:
The scary thing is, I think there are some people who might enjoy a set of rules like that :)

Perhaps I ought to add rules for noob-tubing. . .

Then make a S+P article with the house rules for a Evo to BF2 conversion :wink:
 
Hiromoon said:
Uh-huh.... the real world example is a military funded project, Derek. Otherwise the mythbusters were testing plans off the internet.

G'Day

:lol: Who cares if the US military funded it, that doesn't mean it's going to happen or work. ( 'Sgt York' anyone? ). This concept has been around for ages and yes the Mythbusters did use plans off the internet but they also went and checked out real examples, none of which were flying.

Cheers

Derek
 
It might happen, in a few years.......Then agaiun the US army might realise it can save more money off the Stryker project by just taking the Canadion approach and supplying stuff itself.

Its kinda funny, that Armageddon 2089 (also by this company, give it a chance, at least its a damn good read, oh this gives me an idea......include a Armageddon expansion for mecha, the other stuff should mostly stay the same....) extolls about the continued drive for cheaper and outsourced military weaponry in the US, which cause the eventual downfall of the current military, turning it into a countrywide defense company, which ofc checked stuff for quality and not just savings.

MGP you might have a lead here on the real future....though mecha might not happen........


But actually (what a roundtrip...) I dont think well see those personal flyers, just for the reason of them being too loud; theyre trying to turn to stealth technology everywhere, even the army, and that thing wont help at that. Plus they are not really the most survivable thing out there.

Warfare is tunring into a speed game on the strategy part. And a agility thing on the tactical. Most weapons can turn pretty much any target to dust (of their assigned targets). So see first often means shoot first. and 95% of the time shoot first means killl first. Flying something that gets you killed via a simple M4 is not helping, cause you cant really duck....
 
Then how about a free hover in 2003?

pav-2.jpg



Or how about a test flight in 2005?
pav-5.jpg



Video of 2005 test flight:
http://www.trekaero.com/Trek_Video.htm
 
G'Day

I wouldn't trust the first image as there's no reference. The second image is more compelling, but you fail to provide any statistics on performance:

distance travelled
period in air
height achieved
fuel efficiency
handling (especially vs wind stress)

Cheers

Derek
 
G'Day

Had a poke around and I found the following, the SoloTrek Exo-Skeletor Flying Vehicle (that's what it is) development stopped in 2003. In fact the vehicle was put up for auction on E-Bay, though the successful bidder was supposed to sign a contract never to fly the vehicle.

Also this quote says it all

Michael Moshier, chief executive of Trek Aerospace, says it has only hovered a few feet off the ground in tests. He said, "We didn't want to test it higher than we were willing to fall." Mr Moshier expects to sell the aluminium and titanium machine to a museum or aviation enthusiast.

Ok, one day there maybe a personal flying machine but I don't think we'll see US soldiers flying in that one ;)

Cheers

Derek

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/design/q0093.shtml

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/01/16/flying.machine/index.html

http://www.roadabletimes.com/roadables-vtol_trekaero.html

http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/flying/jet_belt.htm
 
Let's see...
Trek Aerospace saw its Springtail EFV-4 aircraft achieve untethered forward flight in a test that lasted about a minute and covered around 20 metres.

Looking to the video...I'd venture a guess at 60 feet flight test, at possibly 20 feet high... and after wasting thirty or so minutes looking for more information, that's the best I an give ya.
 
As for the ebay thing:

It is built to fly somebody weighing up to 13 stone (182 pounds) at nearly 70mph for 100 miles. Two overhead fans lift the gas-powered machine and it's steered with a joystick in each hand. Michael Moshier, chief executive of Trek Aerospace, says it has only hovered a few feet off the ground in tests. He said, "We didn't want to test it higher than we were willing to fall." Mr Moshier expects to sell the aluminium and titanium machine to a museum or aviation enthusiast.

The company retired the prototype last summer to concentrate on a second-generation model with better joysticks and a smoother engine. It hopes to sell personal flying machines to the military, allowing soldiers to pass over swamps, mine fields and other rough terrain.
Source: www.ananova.com Friday 10 January 2003
 
G'Day

Well if the company site ( http://www.trekaero.com/ ) is anything to go by that's all it ever does. It seems that no one is game to really fly the orginal version ( I suppose that's the one they were trying to sell on E-Bay) or the later model. All they ever do is scoot along the ground for about 20m and then land (before someone hurts themselves?). Maybe they will have better luck with their backpack UAV?

Also check out the site news page and you'll see, that's right. Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman of MythBusters. What can I say? :lol:

Singing loudly and off key - Come fly with me, come fly away

Cheers

Derek
 
Actually, they're doing quite well with their Springtail. And yes, they included the Mythbusters...does that mean their system doesn't work? Nope! Does that mean that plans purchased online don't work? Yep.
 
Hiromoon said:
Actually, they're doing quite well with their Springtail.

And what are they doing? It appears that the improved model does exactly what the original did. That's hardly going to allow troops to come swooping out of the sky. Can you imagine trying to land that thing on anything other than flat, solid ground?

Cheers

Derek
 
Yep! It's called hope it lands on its side or it's back.... And it's called baby steps. Do you hop into an experimental airframe and go zip around in it? Give it a few more years and we'll see what that thing can really do.



PAV examples:

1959


1957

 
Hiromoon said:
Yep! It's called hope it lands on its side or it's back.... And it's called baby steps. Do you hop into an experimental airframe and go zip around in it? Give it a few more years and we'll see what that thing can really do.

Crash and burn? Continue to move in small 20m leaps because no one can actually fly it safely? Be put aside with the other personal flying machines as a interesting but not quite successful experiment. Like I said one day there may be personal flying machines but they won't be that one.

Your really should be a little sceptical about what you see on the internet ;)

Cheers

Derek
 
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