emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Right Hand of God said:
it's less than the population of the current USA!
AU: Extinction
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it's less than the population of the current USA!
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Darzoni said:
That would be a far more "genocidal" figure
There's not that many off world colonists according to the likes of the EA factbook. Mars only has maybe a million people. The other colonies are mostly domed cities. The off world population is most likely only several million
captainsmirk
Mongoose
Since very few of the worlds colonised are likely to be any where near as habitable as earth its likely that most could not support an earth sized population. Plus humans have only had interstellar travel for a hundred years or so, not enough time to produce significant off world population given the difficulty of establishing such colonies.
So it would make sence that the vast majority of humans still live on earth.
Only a race such as the Minbari who have been an established interstellar power for over 1000 years (plus have a homeworld that isn't overall as habitable as earth) would like have an off world population anywhere near that of the homeworld.
Nick
So it would make sence that the vast majority of humans still live on earth.
Only a race such as the Minbari who have been an established interstellar power for over 1000 years (plus have a homeworld that isn't overall as habitable as earth) would like have an off world population anywhere near that of the homeworld.
Nick
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Actually the population of Minbar is 2.3 billion and their largest colony, Tarellen, has only 825,000 Minbari
and the Centauri homeworld has a population of 3 billion but their biggest colony, Immolan, has only 84 million
and the Centauri homeworld has a population of 3 billion but their biggest colony, Immolan, has only 84 million
Achilles-class Destroyer: Big, nasty, expensive. Probably Armageddon level. Features the shields common to the EF Remnants fleet.
Argus-class Drone Flights: Since manpower would be at a premium, the remnant fleet likely uses masses of drones for fighters.
Cadmus-class Carrier: A carrier, obviously.
Charon-class Cutter: Low level patrol ship. Similar to the Tethys.
Daedalus-class Explorer: Akin to a mobile starbase almost. Pretty self-sufficient, can function as a midget commande center.
Heracules-class Dreadnought: Combines aspects of the Omega and Nova.
Titan-class Cruiser: Workhorse ship. Probably has a number of variants. Similar to the Hyperion.
'Vindicator' Starfury Flights: It wouldn't be the EA without starfuries. This one probably has a nasty bite.
[EDIT]: *grumbles and looks for that strikeout font code...* Midgets nothing, minor is a better fit. All the kids telling adults to run to the store for more candy...
Argus-class Drone Flights: Since manpower would be at a premium, the remnant fleet likely uses masses of drones for fighters.
Cadmus-class Carrier: A carrier, obviously.
Charon-class Cutter: Low level patrol ship. Similar to the Tethys.
Daedalus-class Explorer: Akin to a mobile starbase almost. Pretty self-sufficient, can function as a midget commande center.
Heracules-class Dreadnought: Combines aspects of the Omega and Nova.
Titan-class Cruiser: Workhorse ship. Probably has a number of variants. Similar to the Hyperion.
'Vindicator' Starfury Flights: It wouldn't be the EA without starfuries. This one probably has a nasty bite.
[EDIT]: *grumbles and looks for that strikeout font code...* Midgets nothing, minor is a better fit. All the kids telling adults to run to the store for more candy...
Population numbers for the other races always seemed unreasonably low to me, but that may be just because I object to being the 'rats' of the intersellar ecology. I don't remember any comments about how humans are simply out breeding the other races, just that we build communities. Could be wrong of course.
One worry on the new ship list is that if you go too far from the established designs you lose the 'earth' feel that makes your story most interesting. Twenty years in deep space rebuilding you whole infastructure might leave less time for radically new designs and more an emphasis and using what you already have in better ways.
Ripple
One worry on the new ship list is that if you go too far from the established designs you lose the 'earth' feel that makes your story most interesting. Twenty years in deep space rebuilding you whole infastructure might leave less time for radically new designs and more an emphasis and using what you already have in better ways.
Ripple
You're right of course. That's why I tried to have analogs that already exist.
Argus Drones = Any suggestions?
Achilles = Warlock Hull. (One of two 'new' designs along with the Argus drones).
Cadmus = Avenger Hull.
Charon = Tethys Hull.
Daedalus = Explorer Hull.
Heracules = Nova Hull.
Titan = Hyperion Hull.
Vindicator Starfuries= Starfuries.
The only real upgrades are in the form of weapons...
Though another possibility is to just use the Crusade-era fleet list.
Argus Drones = Any suggestions?
Achilles = Warlock Hull. (One of two 'new' designs along with the Argus drones).
Cadmus = Avenger Hull.
Charon = Tethys Hull.
Daedalus = Explorer Hull.
Heracules = Nova Hull.
Titan = Hyperion Hull.
Vindicator Starfuries= Starfuries.
The only real upgrades are in the form of weapons...
Though another possibility is to just use the Crusade-era fleet list.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Darzoni said:
the Ea's secret weapon, crack commando midget special forces! :lol:
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
but once again where is the evidence or justification for that?
Did a Minbari officer say to a human colonist "nah you're ok buddy until your military are beat, then we get to kill you"
How could anyone extrapolate from non-violence against the civilian populace that genocide was planned.
It was incredibly weakly evidenced in the show.
lastbesthope
Mongoose
emperorpenguin said:
Well like the lady said:
Delenn: He was the best of us. They struck without provocation, there was no reason. Animals! Brutal! They deserve no mercy! Strike them down, follow them back to their base and kill all of them, all of them! No mercy!
You culd easily extrapolate an intent for genocide from the last 9 words there.
LBH
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
yes but how do the EA know she said that. WE the audience know but there is absolutely no info to give the EA the idea that a mass genocide will happen.....
Right Hand of God
Mongoose
You can indeed extrapolate genocide from Delenn's PMT induced rantings, but then that adds weight to the earlier points that the Minbari just weren't very good at carrying it out. 250K is just not a realistic figure. Weren't nearly all of EA's space borne fouces supposed to have been wiped out? And in one scene I seem to remember a human and Minbari engaged in hand to hand combat on what looks like a star trek quarry (alien planet) back drop with Londo's voice over about how the humans resisted every step of the way.
That's pretty good resistence to only lose 250K.
I make that about 5 Gettysburgs or 5 Waterloos.
Not paticularly efficient are they, they don't even manage to deciamte the human race.
That's pretty good resistence to only lose 250K.
I make that about 5 Gettysburgs or 5 Waterloos.
Not paticularly efficient are they, they don't even manage to deciamte the human race.
emperorpenguin said:
Centauri's come to mind. Remember: Centauri's knew Minbari's before and unlike Minbari had contact(and trade agreements and whatnot) with humans...
Very likely passing up bits and pieces of information for a price(as much as they thought they would get away without pissing off Minbari. And how Minbari's are going to find out that Centauri's mentioned Minbari genocide protocol to Humans anyway?)
Certain well known Centauri by the way happened to BE on Earth lots of the time, including during the war :wink:
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
EA General "What can the Centauri tell us about the Minbari that will help us in this war? Tactics/weapons/public holidays/sex scandal gossip?"
Centauri "Can't tell you a thing about those but this might help, the Minbari will kill every single human after they defeat your military. Does that help? We have no evidence for this but it's fact"
no I don't think so.......
Valen is my name
Mongoose
Well the centauri think that because of the race that they were fighting that attacked the Minbari and were wiped out, but i've forgotten their name.
The EA said that the minbari would commit Genocide to encourage all earthers to stand up against the Minbari and to try to fight them. If Earth Dome had said they will only kill military everyone would have run away and distanced themselves from the military. This way, there would be more determination to fight the Minbari.
The EA said that the minbari would commit Genocide to encourage all earthers to stand up against the Minbari and to try to fight them. If Earth Dome had said they will only kill military everyone would have run away and distanced themselves from the military. This way, there would be more determination to fight the Minbari.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Valen is my name said:
Garmak. But they were added later by AOG I think, not part of what JMS wrote
that makes the most sense, an EA propoganda exercise
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
and are those human worlds conducting a guerilla war?
