Aslan invasions of Domain of Deneb.

[Nadia Grell]

Ever since Mega Traveller t has shown on maps that Aslan Itahei invades several sub-sectors of Spinward Marshes. I have always thought this was strange. I mean there were a number of naval bases in these areas and all the sub-sector fleets. How come the Aslan managed to invade the Imperium like that, when not even an alliance of Zhodani, Vargr bands and Sword Worlds could do it. And the Zhodani even had terrorist groups and infiltrators already in place.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Ever since Mega Traveller t has shown on maps that Aslan Itahei invades several sub-sectors of Spinward Marshes. I have always thought this was strange. I mean there were a number of naval bases in these areas and all the sub-sector fleets. How come the Aslan managed to invade the Imperium like that, when not even an alliance of Zhodani, Vargr bands and Sword Worlds could do it. And the Zhodani even had terrorist groups and infiltrators already in place.

Because the number of Aslan ships out tonnage the Imperial Navy ships by over 3 to 1. Also, the Imperium has never fought more than 4 Clans at once. After the Aslan ambassador is murdered, all of the Ihetai from all of the clans that had been gathering in the Trojan Reach came screaming across the border at once, just like the Chinese when they entered the Korean War. Nothing could stand against those numbers. Also, Aslan are trained to take and defend territory from the womb, humans and vargr are not.

 

[Sigtrygg]

Doesn't work out well for TL12/13 Ihetai fleets vs TL15 IN warships fresh from their FFW victory. Even at 3 to 1 they would lose.

The only thing that has ever made sense to me is Norris pulled a fast one and invited the Aslan to "invade".

He knows that Aslan can become loyal vassals, it also gives him a chance to deploy hard line Lucanites or anyone who objects to his elevation to Archduke to the "conflict" with the Aslan.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Doesn't work out well for TL12/13 Ihetai fleets vs TL15 IN warships fresh from their FFW victory. Even at 3 to 1 they would lose.

Not necessarily. What happens to troops when the country they are fighting for no longer exists? It is a bit demoralizing which does affect combat ability.

Also, since when has the narrative story in Traveller ever lined up with what the rules say would happen?

The Trojan Reach is also severely underpowered for a Sector Fleet. For example, the sheer number of military bases that the 3I have in the Trojan Reach and don't have the ships to actually man those naval bases.

My guess is that the IN was even further depleted from the FFW. The Aslan invaded in 1117 and the hostilities with them didn't end until 1126, 9 years later. Even after the FFW ended, Deneb was still fighting the Vargr. 1130, tired of fighting the Vargr, Deneb withdraws its forces from Corridor Sector leaving it to the Vargr to plunder. So, they lost to the Vargr who are less cohesive than the Aslan and have smaller ships than the Aslan. Deneb has basically been at war from 1110 until the 1140s. In 1110, Deneb was part of a great empire. By 1130, they stand alone.

None of this sounds like they have "fresh" warships. They have battered warships "fresh" out of a war.

 

[Vormaerin]

Pretty much everything about the Regency era is awful, imho.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Pretty much everything about the Regency era is awful, imho.

To me the Regency Era is just proof that even in fictional RPG universes, one thing still holds true, "People are stupid"

"People are stupid" describes the entire reason that the Rebellion and the Virus happened.

Dulinor killing the Emperor? Hey, I want to create a more progressive Imperium, so let's assassinate the most progressive Emperor who actually supports Dulinor's desire for a more liberal Imperium.

The Virus? Hey, let's attack this cyberwarfare research station and download all of the data to our computers! Ummm... Did you miss the part about it is a cyberwarfare research center? Do not download cyberwarfare weapons directly to your networked computer system! People knew that stuff thousands of years before the Third Imperium existed.

So, the only way any of the stuff happens from mid-1116 on is by people being incredibly stupid, Rebellion and Virus.

 

[Condottiere]

I'd check on how the economy's doing.

 

[MasterGwydion]

I'd check on how the economy's doing.

Yeah, because you can actually check that in Traveller without an economic system...

 

[Condottiere]

It's about as generic as The Long Night, considering the scale.

While local economies could be exuberant, the Imperium's as a whole might be experiencing a depression, possibly because of having to pay for their defence budget.

 

[MasterGwydion]

It's about as generic as The Long Night, considering the scale.

While local economies could be exuberant, the Imperium's as a whole might be experiencing a depression, possibly because of having to pay for their defence budget.

Again. How do you "check the economies" if there is no economic data? If your post was serious, then I definitely want to know how you "check the economies" because I have been trying to figure that out for quite some time now, as have others on these forums, and I still have no idea how to do it.

 

[Condottiere]

That would be up to the writers, to drop breadcrumbs that all is not well in the Imperium, and some more higher up, to spell it out as to what that could be due to.

There's always a question as to why empires fall, and usually it's due to external pressure, and internal weakness.

 

[collins355]

Ever since Mega Traveller t has shown on maps that Aslan Itahei invades several sub-sectors of Spinward Marshes. I have always thought this was strange. I mean there were a number of naval bases in these areas and all the sub-sector fleets. How come the Aslan managed to invade the Imperium like that, when not even an alliance of Zhodani, Vargr bands and Sword Worlds could do it. And the Zhodani even had terrorist groups and infiltrators already in place.

Yes, many people before you have pointed this out, over many years.

The original plot in Rebellion Sourcebook put a lot of stock in the fact that the Imperium in 1117- was wracked by civil war. The Aslan supposedly took advantage of that disruption and distraction. Norris was supposedly preoccupied by Zhodani, Sword Worlds and Vargr threats, and decided to turn the Aslan problem over to his chief of staff rather than deal with it himself.