Aslan Client-States?

I will say one thing, though. GDW (and thus the Imperium) avoided calling all the alien governments Empires, and gave them each their own label.

I do suspect the coreward Aslan area was labelled "client states" to distinguish them from the "colonies" over the Great Rift. Functionally both are probably similar.
Not if as stated by someone else above that the original intent was that the Aslan Client States were actually Imperial Client-States with majority Aslan populations. Imperial Aslan do exist. So, maybe, but it would be weird as hell.
 
Foederati (/ˌfɛdəˈreɪtaɪ/ FED-ə-RAY-ty; singular: foederatus /ˌfɛdəˈreɪtəs/ FED-ə-RAY-təs) were peoples and cities bound by a treaty, known as foedus, with Rome. During the Roman Republic, the term identified the socii, but during the Roman Empire, it was used to describe foreign states, client kingdoms or barbarian tribes to which the empire provided benefits in exchange for military assistance. The term was also used, especially under the empire, for groups of barbarian mercenaries of various sizes who were typically allowed to settle within the empire.
 
Not if as stated by someone else above that the original intent was that the Aslan Client States were actually Imperial Client-States with majority Aslan populations. Imperial Aslan do exist. So, maybe, but it would be weird as hell.
Imperial Client states no-matter what their racial make-up are called "Imperial Client State"
 
Imperial Client states no-matter what their racial make-up are called "Imperial Client State"
Have you looked at the map We are looking at?


Where does it say Imperial Client States?
 
Have you looked at the map We are looking at?


Where does it say Imperial Client States?
Quare/Vilis (Spinward Marches 0915)
Edinina/Vilis (Spinward Marches 1213)
Naimar Station/Lamas (Deneb 1203)
Aerfor/Million (Deneb 3104)
Kaaniir/Drexilthar (Reaver's Deep 2223)
Grendal/Drexilthar (Reaver's Deep 2127)

Just a few I picked out in a couple of minutes from the MANY MANY examples. They aren't hard to find, just look around the borders of the TI
 
Interestingly the only one of the big polities I couldn't find client states for was the Solomani Confeferation, which makes sense with their leanings...
 
Read back a bit. As I mentioned maybe a page earlier it was indeed the original map, published in Supplement 8 (Library Data A-M) (1980).
Bring out the Ancient Scrolls! Sorry, I didn't have my rare books gloves on, and missed that.

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As a historical note, the map was originally a convention handout that also turned up on order packaging in the early days.
 
Aslan Clent State - south west of the Solomani Sphere...

Aslan pocket empires made up of clans that are not part of the Heirate, they may not even have the standard Aslan clan structure - exposure to Solomani has them adopting different government models.

friendly to the Solomani
friendly to the Imperium
friendly to the Aslan Heirate
friendly to the Hivers

take your pick, or mix them up for maximum fun and adventure potential
 
Quare/Vilis (Spinward Marches 0915)
Edinina/Vilis (Spinward Marches 1213)
Naimar Station/Lamas (Deneb 1203)
Aerfor/Million (Deneb 3104)
Kaaniir/Drexilthar (Reaver's Deep 2223)
Grendal/Drexilthar (Reaver's Deep 2127)

Just a few I picked out in a couple of minutes from the MANY MANY examples. They aren't hard to find, just look around the borders of the TI
You really aren't keeping up with the conversation.

This is the map We are talking about.

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This is not the same map as this...
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then why in the message where you asked me about Imperial Client States did you include a link to Traveller Map?

It literally IS the sam map zoomed in, the data is exactly the same only the displayed scale is different.

There are no Imperial Client states large enough to be displayed on the zoomed out Known Space level of the map, so? there are literally HUNDREDS of Imperial Client States, and they are ALL labelled as such.
 
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then why in the message where you asked me about Imperial Client States did you include a link to Traveller Map?

It literally IS the sam map zoomed in, the data is exactly the same only the displayed scale is different.

There are no Imperial Client states large enough to be displayed on the zoomed out Known Space level of the map, so? there are literally HUNDREDS of Imperial Client States, and they are ALL labelled as such.
No, it is not just the outer map zoomed in. One is a hand-drawn map that was created before the Travellermap was ever a thing. When it is zoomed in, it is a computer-generated image based on data tables. They are not the same map.

Unless you consider a hand-drawn map from 40 years ago to be the same map as a computer-generated map from today.

Edit - Also, read the conversation above as to the origin of those areas.
 
Here it is, so you don't have to go looking for it.
So a little metagame background on the Aslan Client States. I believe the only reference to them in all of Classic Traveller comes from the poster map of the Third Imperium, which applies this label to three largish polities just rimward of the Hierate border in Uistilrao and Ustral Quadrant sectors.

That’s it. No mention of these things in the CT Alien module, though the three polities are shown in the “Sectors of the Aslan Hierate and Environs” map. Atlas of the Imperium doesn’t cover those two sectors either.

At this point, it’s not really clear what “Aslan Client States” even means. Are these client states to the Aslan, or are they client states composed of Aslan populations? Both? Neither?

The next reference appears in MT Solomani and Aslan, which mentions in a couple of places that Ustral Quadrant is “a sector among the Aslan Client States.” The map key for the Hierate Map names the three polities as Tealou Arlaoh, Iyeaao'fte, and Oleaiy'fte. And that’s about it.

Mike Mikesh, in his unpublished “Grand Explorations” manuscript for DGP, holds that the Aslan Client States were Imperial client states composed of Aslan. They became client states during the Aslan Mission, which occurred after the Peace of Ftahalr. Mike’s idea was that Imperial aid was sufficient to make these three polities beholden to the Third Imperium. You see this idea pop up occasionally in subsequent HIWG discussion.

Douglas G. Snyder, who did the initial design of Ustral Quadrant, certainly followed this idea: “The three client-states of the Imperium [emphasis added] are Iyeaao'fte, Oleaiy'fte, and Tealou Arlaoh.”

But that was just about everything written about the Aslan Client States in canon and semi-canon.

Initially, I honestly wasn’t a huge fan of making the three polities client states of the Imperium, as they were all well outside of Imperial space. It seemed like a real stretch of logic and logistics, and potentially offensive to Hierate clans.

Given that the origin of this idea was an unpublished DGP manuscript, I certainly didn't feel like I was beholden to Mike’s idea. But what was the alternative? The polities were client states of the Aslan Hierate? How would that work, since the Hierate isn’t really a distinct entity? Client states of specific Aslan clans? At least one of these polities is easily as strong as any Tlaukhu clan. Why aren’t these polities just part of the Hierate, like all the other Hierate islands in the rimward sectors.

The more I thought about it, making the Aslan Client States Imperial client states seemed like a less plausible but also much more interesting choice. It also created a compelling reason for the Imperium to send ships back and forth through the Hierate, and created a rimward toehold for the Imperium and Imperial Travellers.
 
Because THATS the map they used to build Traveller map on, so guess what, shock horror, THEY MATCH! Zoom Traveller map out and lo and behold, it's the same map!! unbelievable!!!
 
Because THATS the map they used to build Traveller map on, so guess what, shock horror, THEY MATCH! Zoom Traveller map out and lo and behold, it's the same map!! unbelievable!!!
Go get the original paper map. Go grab your magnifying glass and try and zoom in. Did it work? Can you find any of the planets that you listed? No? Because they aren't there? Really? How surprising! If they were the same maps, you expect them to be the same.

So, you agree with Me. Correct? That it is one map when you zoom out, and a different map when you zoom in?
 
Go get the original paper map. Go grab your magnifying glass and try and zoom in. Did it work? Can you find any of the planets that you listed? No? Because they aren't there? Really? How surprising! If they were the same maps, you expect them to be the same.

So, you agree with Me. Correct? That it is one map when you zoom out, and a different map when you zoom in?
"Same" has various meanings depending on context. Travellermap is a copy of the old map, which has been elaborated and detailed: it is the same map in one sense, but not in another. It is ok that your understanding of "same" and boggo's diverge on this point. It is good that we cleared up this source of confusion, and now that we have it is time to turn down the sarcasm a little and move on.
 
"Same" has various meanings depending on context. Travellermap is a copy of the old map, which has been elaborated and detailed: it is the same map in one sense, but not in another. It is ok that your understanding of "same" and boggo's diverge on this point. It is good that we cleared up this source of confusion, and now that we have it is time to turn down the sarcasm a little and move on.
True. My bad. :(
 
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