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@Shadow Queen:
No. There is a Federation Constitution class heavy cruiser and the N.C.C. 1701 - USS Enterprise appears in the UFP ships registry; but the big "E" will not be present, as such.

Second question, also No. ADB's license only allows use of the material from the original series and the animated series. And only items already in play from those two sources. Anything beyond that is a big no no and is not going to occur.

But fear not. ADB has 30+ years of consistent! background and have spread the Star Fleet Iuniverse well beyond the bounds established by ST: TOS. there are over a dozen primary empires, several minor empires, simulator races, 2 dozen plus empires in the Omega Sector and the Lesser Magellanic Cloud... and well over 2400 ships in the SFB game alone.

There is a wealth of material from which to draw on. ACTA: SF will not run out of materail.
 
scoutdad said:
@Shadow Queen:
No. There is a Federation Constitution class heavy cruiser and the N.C.C. 1701 - USS Enterprise appears in the UFP ships registry; but the big "E" will not be present, as such.

Second question, also No. ADB's license only allows use of the material from the original series and the animated series. And only items already in play from those two sources. Anything beyond that is a big no no and is not going to occur.

But fear not. ADB has 30+ years of consistent! background and have spread the Star Fleet Iuniverse well beyond the bounds established by ST: TOS. there are over a dozen primary empires, several minor empires, simulator races, 2 dozen plus empires in the Omega Sector and the Lesser Magellanic Cloud... and well over 2400 ships in the SFB game alone.

There is a wealth of material from which to draw on. ACTA: SF will not run out of materail.
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Thanks for the answer, this is a must get before histerectomy on 1st of November
 
Rambler said:
Shadow Queen - Yes in the Star Fleet Universe the Klingons sold the Romulan quite a number of thier second hand ships to act as a bridge between the old Non Tatical Warp "Eagle" series and the newly built sleek modern "Hawks" ships they built leading into the General War. How far Mongoose will go "Romulazing" Klingon Ships is anyones guess at ths point.
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In TOS, the Romulans used the Klingon D7. You don't need to do anything at all to "Romulaze" the Klingon ship - the Romulans didn't! I once watched "The Enterprise Incident" closely specifically to see what markings the Romulan D7 had, and what it had were the original Klingon markings. :lol:

The only thing you might need to do is convert the D7 to look like a D7. The preview pictures show something which can't make its mind up whether to be a TOS D7 or a movie K'Tinga. There was a big fuss about a grille forward of the superstructure which has now disappeared, but several other movie-style details are still present. (This is a D7, this is a K'Tinga, this is what we're apparently getting. Observe the raised panels on the front of the aft hull and the recessed line round the nose, then look at which original ship has them. ;))
 
Adrian: In all fairness to the Romulans and to any modellers, the Enterprise Incident KRs were probably rushed into service rather than put in a dockyard for a respray, simply because the Praetor wanted to see how they fared. It is also possible that they were on a shake-down cruise along the neutral zone when the Enterprise wandered across the border, so weren't actually intended to be in service yet. Certainly Spock commented that they were using Klingon designs now, so the new KRs hadn't been spotted by regular Star Fleet personnel - whether Star Fleet Intelligence knew of them is another matter, but even there, I suspect not.

I would also ask if there's any difference externally between the D7 and the D6... aside from the weapons emplacements - the regular KR is supposed to be a D6, while the K7R is the D7... but again, it might be that the "TEI" KR were actually K7R and part of the same exchange, but were brand new (I'd expect the Romulans to specify the requirements for the cloaking device area, but would fit the new equipment as soon as it arrived, probably a relatively simple case of wiring it in, if the specs were followed. I would expect the cloaking device to replace one of the security areas in the normal D classes... since the Romulans have less security risk and would probably want the same level of security for the device itself (I'm guessing the security stations on klingon ships are pretty fortified, just in case, compared to normal rooms).
 
Rambler said:
Shadow Queen - Yes in the Star Fleet Universe the Klingons sold the Romulan quite a number of thier second hand ships to act as a bridge between the old Non Tatical Warp "Eagle" series and the newly built sleek modern "Hawks" ships they built leading into the General War. How far Mongoose will go "Romulazing" Klingon Ships is anyones guess at ths point.
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I read it more as the Klingons selling the ships to the Romulans, from which the Romulans worked out how to make the warp drives for their Eagles, but also other systems of use, which lead to the design process that lead to the Hawks...
 
The model Adrian linked to is going to be the D6, the D7 is going to be slightly different. Probably not by much (added weapons, bigger deckhouse ?).

Also, remember that all the designs are General War era (which takes place a while after the TV series, which is known as the Middle Years in SFU parlance), so they have all sorts of refits. Kind of the SFU equivalent of the movie-era designs, I suppose, which lets Mongoose play around with the details to a degree to make them distinct from the TV ships. To coin a phrase, SFU isn't Trek.

BTW, in the "CGI enhanced" release of Star Trek the Romulans in that episode had Eagles on their ships (and one was replaced by a Warbird).
 
BFalcon said:
Adrian: In all fairness to the Romulans and to any modellers, the Enterprise Incident KRs were probably rushed into service rather than put in a dockyard for a respray, simply because the Praetor wanted to see how they fared.
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In reality, the KR's were rushed into service because there was a problem with the Bird of Prey model. The exact nature of the problem seems to vary depending on which source you read but the bottom line is that it wasn't available and the makers of TOS needed something in a hurry for "The Enterprise Incident", so they used the D7.

I would also ask if there's any difference externally between the D7 and the D6...
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If you're willing to do some serious surgery, this is a D6. (I'm sure I found an article somewhere on how to do such surgery, though I don't know now where it is.)

Iain McGhee said:
Also, remember that all the designs are General War era (which takes place a while after the TV series, which is known as the Middle Years in SFU parlance), so they have all sorts of refits. Kind of the SFU equivalent of the movie-era designs, I suppose, which lets Mongoose play around with the details to a degree to make them distinct from the TV ships. To coin a phrase, SFU isn't Trek.
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This is what worries me a bit. The whole reason for me getting into this version of ACTA is that it is Trek, sort of. While I obviously can't do what I did with B5, which is build my entire collection out of ships from TV, I'd certainly like models of ships as seen on TV to be the basis of the collection, with other ships as a sort of supporting cast.

BTW, in the "CGI enhanced" release of Star Trek the Romulans in that episode had Eagles on their ships (and one was replaced by a Warbird).
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I don't know whether the SFU licence extends to the remastered TOS, but in this case it doesn't matter because SFU got there first. When I bought a boxed set of Starline 2200 miniatures for display, it included Romulan schemes for the D7 and F5, including a bird of prey pattern which I duly applied. I was subsequently disappointed to find that the Romulans hadn't done the same. :D This was so long ago that the reason SFU didn't do TNG was nothing to do with licences, it was because TNG didn't exist!
 
Jean, could you clarify if that model is the D6 or the D7 that you have on the Starline 2500 page? Some sources are saying D6 and others the D7... I'm confuzzled... :)

Adrian: I know what you mean about the original ships, but after so many years of models being available, I'm not that bothered any more... just so long as they look about right... :)
 
I am a work so it will be awhile before I can post some answers but, that is going to be the D6' the D7' still has firing arc issues so it is not posted yet. Originally the only difference in the SFU was adding to wing phasers but, there is a push to developed different models for all the ships.

Adrian that would be closer to a SFU D4 Early Cruiser.p
 
One thing to bear in mind is that the on-screen source material is not treated as sacrosanct; not least since there are elements of them which are beyond the scope of the license.

To give one example, the Star Fleet Universe take on the unfortunate first contact between the Federation and the Gorns had "two brash young captains shoot first and face embarrassing questions later"; but states that "the event was dramatized for trivideo in a fanciful story involving an unknown super-race similar to the Organians".

So, details like the "trivideo" KRs having Klingon markings don't need to be obsessed over in a SFU context.


Also, it seems that when it comes to the Franz Joseph designs, they seem to need to be grouped together from either a licensing or marketing perspective (or perhaps both). In Federation Commander, these ships were eventually offered in a dedicated Booster #91; however, while some of the Ship Cards therein are suitable for use in the General War, the "unrefitted" versions which more directly reflect their original incarnations in the Star Fleet Technical Manual required the release of the Briefing #2 module for them to work in their true Middle Years context.

How these iconic ships will be handled in A Call to Arms: Star Fleet remains to be seen; but if I were to hazard a guess, I would guess they would have to wait for some sort of dedicated module (or at least some separate booklet or PDF file) before they were viable for publication (and for casting as Starline 2500 miniatures).
 
To back-up Rambler: Steve Cole has stated mnay times on the SFU BBS that the model is indeed the D6. Here is the quote from SVC himself:
Steve Cole said:
Current plan: what you see is the D6 (after the two phasers in question are deleted). [This was a solution to the problem proposed by Steve Petrick.]

The D7 will have a different "belly", properly located wing phasers, and a bigger deckhouse.
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And if you'd like to verify said source material for yourself, the actual quote can be found here
Look for a post near the bottom of the page, made by Steve on Saturday, July 16, 2011 - 10:57 am.
 
Nah, it's ok Scoutdad, I believe ya - I thought it was the D6, but a couple of people have said otherwise and Jean has it on the page as a "D7 Cruiser"... which confused me. I thought I'd missed something.
 
Rambler said:
Adrian that would be closer to a SFU D4 Early Cruiser.p
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This is a D4. ;) OK, it's not something we're going to see from Mongoose/ADB because this D4 was designed for "Star Trek: Enterprise", but it's inspiration for some major surgery on my part to make the official model look less like a D7. :)

As for D6 versus D7, I found this on the SFU Discussion Board:
I *love* the paneling on the C8 upper wing.

Would it be possible to get anything like that on the D-7 mini (making sure to keep it clearly different from the K'T'inga, of course)? That'd be pretty cool - especially if the D-6 didn't have it. Another way to distinguish the two hulls!
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This idea I like, especially since there's talk of doing something similar to the Romulan War Eagle (one version with sculpted eagle, one without). Make the D7 with as much detail as you like and the D6 with clean, TOS-style surfaces. That way they don't look the same, those who want detailed non-Trek ships are happy and those who want a "real" D7 are also happy.

Nerroth said:
To give one example, the Star Fleet Universe take on the unfortunate first contact between the Federation and the Gorns had "two brash young captains shoot first and face embarrassing questions later"; but states that "the event was dramatized for trivideo in a fanciful story involving an unknown super-race similar to the Organians".

So, details like the "trivideo" KRs having Klingon markings don't need to be obsessed over in a SFU context.
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No, but it does mean you can buy a D7, paint it in Klingon markings, then use it as a KR anyway. :D

How these iconic ships will be handled in A Call to Arms: Star Fleet remains to be seen; but if I were to hazard a guess, I would guess they would have to wait for some sort of dedicated module (or at least some separate booklet or PDF file) before they were viable for publication (and for casting as Starline 2500 miniatures).
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Background stories and PDF's are not that important, I just want models and some rules to use with them. ;) But if the current line-up of models are definitely going to be modified to look unlike the versions seen on screen, with the possibility of more "realistic" models coming later, I'm probably better off waiting rather than buying anything this year. :(
 
When I was given the pictures, they were said to be the D7. SVC has been calling them D6s except where he calls them D7s. I'll ask SVC if I should change the title of the thread and re-caption the photos.

Jean

[Edit: SVC has written me to let me know that he thinks they are indeed D6s. I have changed the captions on our page on FB to reflect that.]
 
The Federation New Light Cruiser (NCL) (take 2), is up on the BBS and FC Forum. I will add it to ADB's page on Facebook over the next 24 hours.

SVC wrote: I have already told Sandrine that the phaser-3s are in the wrong place. The shuttle bay is also wrong, so we've asked for a bottom view "redo."

The link to the Starline 2500 Federation NCL Take 2 album is here: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150312470958280.358752.231728653279&l=9ff838059a Please note the link has changed since FB changed the newsfeed and all ships will have to have individual albums.

The link to the BBS is here: http://www.starfleetgames.com/discus/messages/27411/28171.html?1316617046

The link to the FC Forum is here: http://www.starfleetgames.com/federation/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4077

Enjoy!

Jean
 
its late and I have been busy so almost forgot this. Fair enough with the current 2400 minitures the differance betwen a D6/D7/KR/K7R comes down to painting. Wiether Mongoose decides to add a belly bird ( I am hoping not but there are those who keep asking for it) is yet to be seen. Also wither or not they will change the engine pod Disruptor Bands to Torpedo Tubes has yet to be decided. This is what I mean by Romulazing a D Hull.

In the SFU universe roughly 100 ships were sold to the Romulans and none of those were "rushed" back out without switching the weapons out, installing a cloacking device and, all the suitable panting and trimming to establish the true superiority of the Glorious Romulan Empire to the rest of the galaxy. After all appearace is everthing :D The problem with the Romulan Eagle class was simple. They were slower than christmas and serverly lacking in technology and weaponary. Once the Klingons sold the Romulan Advnaced Warp and Phaser technology ( As well as tractor beams and transporters) they really started coming into thier own. Right up until they went and shot themselves in the foot and started a very nasty Civil War.
 
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