Fitzwalrus
Mongoose
Cool information. 8)
Well, I did qualify it as "legend"..... :lol: :roll:
Well, I did qualify it as "legend"..... :lol: :roll:
A couple of questions...
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Love the pics from that link:
USS Iowa BB-61 firing a 15-gun broadside in 1984
U.S. Naval Historical Center Photograph DN-ST-85-05379
USS Missouri BB-63 firing a 15-gun broadside circa July - August 1987
U.S. Naval Historical Center Photograph NH 96814-KN
Makes you appreciate how BBs blow cruisers up in a single salvo.
USS Iowa BB-61 firing a 15-gun broadside in 1984
U.S. Naval Historical Center Photograph DN-ST-85-05379
USS Missouri BB-63 firing a 15-gun broadside circa July - August 1987
U.S. Naval Historical Center Photograph NH 96814-KN
Makes you appreciate how BBs blow cruisers up in a single salvo.
One of the reasons for this urban myth were some photos taken of (IIRC) New Jersey firing a full broadside where there appears to be a displacement of approximately 1 yard to starboard as the guns are firing to port. What the picture actually showed was the transmisison of ashock wave from the ships structure into the water which had propagated about a yard from the hull at the time the picture was taken. Now I thought the same when I first saw it, but then I was only about 8 at the time. O level physics quickly disproved that little theory 
chaos0xomega
Mongoose
Interesting indeed.
Next question: Why wasn't the Surcouf in this months S&P? :evil:
Next question: Why wasn't the Surcouf in this months S&P? :evil:
Der Kommandant
Mongoose
41 is out? how do you get to it? on the front page is #40 which is the current issue.
chaos0xomega
Mongoose
Go to Upcoming Releases, then click S&P wargamer 41. Its up, trust me :wink:
Oh, and a serious question, can someone explain to me the effects of naval collisions(with various examples of size differences and the damage caused by them)/ ramming actions?
Oh, and a serious question, can someone explain to me the effects of naval collisions(with various examples of size differences and the damage caused by them)/ ramming actions?
Der Kommandant
Mongoose
thanks chaos, got it!
chaos0xomega
Mongoose
No, I mean IRL (In Real Life).
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
A very great man once said "A collision at sea can ruin your entire day."
In short, it's pretty damn bad. I'm sure DM or BuShips can explain the minutea to you.
In short, it's pretty damn bad. I'm sure DM or BuShips can explain the minutea to you.
Der Kommandant
Mongoose
didnt they used to ram ships with submarines?
oh wait... that was 20,000 leagues under the sea... n/m
oh wait... that was 20,000 leagues under the sea... n/m
Fitzwalrus
Mongoose
I've got a question..... what the H*ll is a stoat? :? :roll: :lol:
Court Jester
Mongoose
Fitzwalrus said:
A kind of weasel from the Mustelidae family (badgers, otters, Ferret & mink)...
8)
chaos0xomega
Mongoose
Lol, the hell does that have to do with anything?
Fitzwalrus
Mongoose
chaos0xomega said:
:lol: Not a d*mn thing: I just noticed that I used to be a weasel and now am a stoat, so I was wondering what the difference was.
What's next, "ferret"? "Badger"? "Killer Rabbit"?
Anything from some spoilt paintwork and an embarrasing board of inquiry to the loss of one or both of the ships concerned. Two notable cases from WW2 - the liner Queen Mary (82,000) rammed the cruiser Curacao (4,950t) and sank her (breaking her in two), whilst the German cruiser Prinz Eugen (15,000t) rammed and nearly chopped the light cruiser Leipzig (8,300t) in two. She was so badly damaged that she was declared a constructive loss and never sailed again, being used as a static barracks and flak ship thereafter.
Here's some interesting trivia regarding the USS Wisconsin and a destroyer. Somewhere else I might have briefly mentioned that the Missouri had this collision but my memory was faulty from a few years back. With my memory "refreshed" by recent study, the Missouri ran aground once (oops!) and the Wisconsin was the BB that t-boned the destroyer. Now that's what I call a crossing of the "T", lol. Anyway, instead of repairing the Wisconsin's bow, they "cheated" and stole the bow from the incomplete USS Kentucky (BB-66, the sixth Iowa!) and attached it. Talk about getting a transplant from a family member, sheesh!
http://www.usswisconsin.org/Collision/collision.htm
Glancing at the log info, the Wisconsin was doing only 10 knots and the DDE was passing port to starboard (left to right) at 20 kts looking for an overboard sailor from a carrier. I hope they didn't forget about him :shock:. The note about the WW2 crew nicknaming the ship the "Whisky" was an interesting piece of trivia too. :wink:
http://www.usswisconsin.org/Collision/collision.htm
Glancing at the log info, the Wisconsin was doing only 10 knots and the DDE was passing port to starboard (left to right) at 20 kts looking for an overboard sailor from a carrier. I hope they didn't forget about him :shock:. The note about the WW2 crew nicknaming the ship the "Whisky" was an interesting piece of trivia too. :wink:
I've also worked on some ships that were involved in rammings (both rammer and rammed) - in fact, come to think of it I have been on an operational frigate when it rammed another one (quite dramatic, I can tell you!).
The scale of damage can range dramatically. I've seen slow speed impacts that resulted in enormous amounts of damage, high speed impacts where everyone was thrown about but both ships were OK (at least from an immediate operational perspective). However, always, always very expensive to fix!
The scale of damage can range dramatically. I've seen slow speed impacts that resulted in enormous amounts of damage, high speed impacts where everyone was thrown about but both ships were OK (at least from an immediate operational perspective). However, always, always very expensive to fix!
