AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Radiation isn't "Damage" (e.g. HG, p30):
As you quoted, the target receives "rads", not "damage".
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As you quoted, the target receives "rads", not "damage".
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
It would be more than normal background radiation.
Tends to effect unprotected organic beings and electronics.
In theory, so should ionic exposure.
Tends to effect unprotected organic beings and electronics.
In theory, so should ionic exposure.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Radiation is still tripled due to being a Spacecraft Weapon as is clearly stated under the Radiation Trait description. CRB page 79 under the Radiation Trait
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Yes, for any Spacecraft scale weapon, from turret to spinal, regardless of Damage Multiplier.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
I just ignore radiation for anything other than nuclear weapons or meson cannons... And then deny the players access to those.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Correct. That was never in any doubt. Perhaps you misunderstood where the tripling of the radiation in Our math came from? (hint - It had nothing to do with Barbettes) No idea.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
That was not what I initially reacted to:
That suggested 2D×20×3×Damage multiplier, which I disagree with.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Additional damage multiplier... Ahhh... Okay. It was Me who misunderstood. Thank you for the clarification!
From high guard 2022 “When a spacecraft weapon with the Radiation trait is fired, it inflicts 2D x 60 rads on everyone within 10 metres of the point of attack.” also “For every multiple of the Base Size, the spinal mount increases its Damage, Power consumption and cost by the amount shown. So, for example, a 15,000-ton meson spinal mount consumes 2,000 Power, deals 12D damage and costs MCr4000. Denote the multiple of the weapon on the ship’s record sheet. For example, for a TL15 spinal mount meson weapon with a multiple of 5, display the weapon as ‘Spinal – meson (TL15) – 5x’”. So if the size of the weapon doesn’t increase the radiation a x50 Meson spinal mount only does 2D x 60 radiation which we know is not the case.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Do we? I don't know that...
Yes, agreed, same as Core.
So, no increase in inflicted radiation by the Radiation trait?
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Seems to Me that Radiation doesn't increase with the size of the weapon, except for the multiple that occurs if the weapon is a ship-class weapon. I disagree with the rule, but the rule does seem to say that it doesn't increase.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
It is simple.
For larger ships it boils down to you are either immune, or all crew is dead immediately. Radiation Shielding makes you immune (except Mesons), so no problem.
If larger weapons inflicted more radiation, we would need corresponding defences for space combat to be possible. It would just add complication...
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Or We just use Nuclear Dampers as a defense against Rads. I know, such a novel use for something who's designed use allows for the cleaning up of irradiated areas and blocking radiation/damage from nuclear attacks
The defense is already in the game, it just isn't being utilized in the rules that way.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Sure, but if you have 100 Dampers, and the enemy fires 200 PA barbettes at you?
Basically, three ships firing at you and your crew is cooked alive... That is a problem in squadron combat.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Not really. Read the description of Nuclear Dampers. HG22 pg. 41
"A successful use of a nuclear damper against a fusion weapon or salvo of nuclear warheads (whether they are on missiles or torpedoes) reduces its damage by 2D and removes the Radiation trait."
Emphasis is mine.
In squadron combat, each squadron counts as a salvo. Problem fixed.
collins355
Cosmic Mongoose
Not sure what "squadron combat" is, or what rulebook it is contained in.
But the fleet combat rules in HG '22 specify that you calculate a nuclear damper pool for the fleet or squadron and that points from it may then be applied against damage from any nuclear missile, nuclear torp or fusion weapon attacks. They also remove the Radiation trait of each attack to which points are applied.
But the fleet combat rules in HG '22 specify that you calculate a nuclear damper pool for the fleet or squadron and that points from it may then be applied against damage from any nuclear missile, nuclear torp or fusion weapon attacks. They also remove the Radiation trait of each attack to which points are applied.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
Pg 119.
I think that was the point I started ignoring the radiation trait on PA weapons.
agentwigggles
Cosmic Mongoose
The Sindilian Empire was super paranoid, and didnt like giving military commanders large ships. So it favored smaller vessels, so not anyone one ship can threaten empire.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Feasible, as long as nothing bigger is lurking around.
Does indicate socio political instability.
Does indicate socio political instability.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Combat squadron against squadron, i.e. several ships on each side, as opposed to single ship combat.
As several ships can concentrate fire on a single enemy ship to overwhelm defences it can play out quite differently than single combat.
In this case as soon as we have enough attacking Radiation weapons to overwhelm available dampers, the defending crew is fried to a crisp and the ship is out of action.
In a single ship action that would be much, much less likely to happen.