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hopefully 2e won't have typos like this, or was that part of the preview too?!
Just can't believe they are going for stealth 6.
My concern here is not about getting '1's, but about fleet choice. Will it still be possible to pick a 'balanced' fleet and defeat the Minbari. We already had a bit of a 'specialists will kill the Minbari easily' thing going one but regular fleets couldn't touch them without luck. This is important for tourney play and random pick up (ie everyone grab a few ships and then reveal what you brought). If you have to have fighters that can get there, and scouts, and SAs and lots of ships to give you a chance...ugh...
Guess I was hoping they would get rid of the stacking for stealth and give you a variety of ways to reduce stealth so you could pick your fleet more freely. The multiple ship helping each other out in my opinion will make a stealth race actually stronger in some ways given they are upping stealth numbers. Now just to get the lucky dice roll your struggling for now, you have to give up the first shot (ie use a ship that you can afford to have miss) so that the next pass you can get a 50/50.
Mind you that is just how stealth has generally worked out for us around here. Our cagey players have rarely been caught within eight by more than a single ship due to the speed of many minbari and scouts (even our beloved Vree) only work 2/3 of the time. (Scanners to full has worked but rarely did the fighters last for second pass.) So we generally see rolls at stealth reduced one, two at most on the primary target and rarely any reduction on secondary targets. Shadows and drahk excepted, as both have a natural bonus plus common scouts.
Bah...this is just a rant at this point...
Stealth six means you absolutely have to have a reduction or your better off not playing. Right now reductions are range, race, scouts and fighters. If your fighters are slow, forget them, race is specific, scouts work half the time and generally only on one ship in a turn. That leaves range and a number of races are asking for death by plunging into short ranges due to overfly.
The balance that has been hinted at or thought of seem to be if you can roll that initial stealth roll it becomes easier for other ships and possibly a new SA. One bonus just gets us back to current levels of stealth, the other may be okay. I just didn't think the concensus was that stealth was weak, which seems to be the direction hinted at.
Ripple
My concern here is not about getting '1's, but about fleet choice. Will it still be possible to pick a 'balanced' fleet and defeat the Minbari. We already had a bit of a 'specialists will kill the Minbari easily' thing going one but regular fleets couldn't touch them without luck. This is important for tourney play and random pick up (ie everyone grab a few ships and then reveal what you brought). If you have to have fighters that can get there, and scouts, and SAs and lots of ships to give you a chance...ugh...
Guess I was hoping they would get rid of the stacking for stealth and give you a variety of ways to reduce stealth so you could pick your fleet more freely. The multiple ship helping each other out in my opinion will make a stealth race actually stronger in some ways given they are upping stealth numbers. Now just to get the lucky dice roll your struggling for now, you have to give up the first shot (ie use a ship that you can afford to have miss) so that the next pass you can get a 50/50.
Mind you that is just how stealth has generally worked out for us around here. Our cagey players have rarely been caught within eight by more than a single ship due to the speed of many minbari and scouts (even our beloved Vree) only work 2/3 of the time. (Scanners to full has worked but rarely did the fighters last for second pass.) So we generally see rolls at stealth reduced one, two at most on the primary target and rarely any reduction on secondary targets. Shadows and drahk excepted, as both have a natural bonus plus common scouts.
Bah...this is just a rant at this point...
Stealth six means you absolutely have to have a reduction or your better off not playing. Right now reductions are range, race, scouts and fighters. If your fighters are slow, forget them, race is specific, scouts work half the time and generally only on one ship in a turn. That leaves range and a number of races are asking for death by plunging into short ranges due to overfly.
The balance that has been hinted at or thought of seem to be if you can roll that initial stealth roll it becomes easier for other ships and possibly a new SA. One bonus just gets us back to current levels of stealth, the other may be okay. I just didn't think the concensus was that stealth was weak, which seems to be the direction hinted at.
Ripple
Tankdriver
Banded Mongoose
Personally, I would like to see stealth for the dilgar scout.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
Tankdriver said:
Why? Because other races scouts have it? Other races scouts are not as heavily armed. Nor do they benefit from masters of destruction, and for that matter most other races scouts arent redirecting quite as much sheer firepower.
(ps. sorry for using your quote Tankdriver its not you specifically I'm ranting at...)
And whats to say dilgar even HAVE anything resembling stealth.
Im all for new ships and updates but just changing things for the sake of it gets the game nowhere. Frankly the Dilgar are one of the nastier fleets in the game as it stands, the one thing they dont need is IMPROVING.
And the Vorlons dont need a scout either, isnt it enough they already have more firepower than pretty much.... erm ANYONE, WITHOUT giving them force multipliers to make it even better.
It this 'oh those other races get x, y, z my race should have it too attitude that just ends up with every race playing the same with the different paint jobs. Not everyone needs scouts. Not everyone needs Armageddon level ships. The list goes on and on but in nearly every case theres still a legion of fanboys complaining that their race is underpowered because they dont have access to such and such a toy.... AHHHHHHHHH!!!!
(its been a long day
)
katadder said:
Indeed. Pity the poor frigate that is spotting for battleships
Nightmares about Minbari
Mongoose
Vorlon scout question: Are you seriously saying that a starfaring race for over a million years can't build a set of sensors to rival a bunch of monkeys (ie us)?
Back on track. Any news on which fleet lists are finished and which are still being worked on? Or if the information is elsewhere, can you point me in that direction?
Cheers
Back on track. Any news on which fleet lists are finished and which are still being worked on? Or if the information is elsewhere, can you point me in that direction?
Cheers
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Locutus9956 said:Not everyone needs Armageddon level ships.AHHHHHHHHH!!!!
(its been a long day
the Dilgar do! :lol:
it's been a long day here too....
MustEatBrains
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
Good point!
Of course it means that against a Stealth 6 ship within 8" the Vorlons can only even see the ship 50% of the time? and over 20" they have a one in six chance?
Without mentioning that scouting the battlefield (rerolls for placement and first turn) are something the elude this ancient race? Given that with other races Command structure they are superior in initiative (well I suppose (with Command ships) only the EA, Minbari, ISA, Centauri.............)
Without mentioning that scouting the battlefield (rerolls for placement and first turn) are something the elude this ancient race? Given that with other races Command structure they are superior in initiative (well I suppose (with Command ships) only the EA, Minbari, ISA, Centauri.............)
sidewinder
Mongoose
Maybe the vorlons and shadows will automatically see through stealth like the other ancients do now.
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