2300 Rocinante project

Rocinate has a volume of about 750 dTons +/- 50. In Traveller terms she'd be an 800 dTon ship due to the 8 hardpoints. In the Expanse universe a frigate is simply a warship without a railgun, vs a destroyer (spinal mount railgun), cruiser (single turreted railgun) or battleship (2 turreted railguns). PDC's are abolutely an offensive weapon - see the spin station battle or Rocinate vs Pella.

The entire idea of "point defence" is 2300 is silly. The missile weapons used do not impact the target, but fire blasts of X and gamma radiation from a significant distance away, although less than you'd think. Bomb-pumped nuclear "lasers" are not focused but instead are collimated. They are reasonably narrow at 100 km or so, but quite broad at 1,000 km. Any anti-missile defense has to hit the missile whilst still warping towards the target. Remember, warp 1 is 1,200 km/s. An attacking missile is only within 1,000 km for a fraction of a second before detonating. Compare with a modern sea-skimming missile which can be engaged effectively for at least 10 seconds by CIWS.

The Mongoose 2k3 laser is a different beast to the GDW one. The latter is a 6 m focal array firing hard X-Rays with a focal range of 2 light-seconds (1.2 million km). The Mongoose laser weapons use multiple small focal arrays and UV, and range is determined by the diameter of an individual FA element and the frequency. Given 2 m FA elements with UV, the focal range of a Mongoose laser is about 100 km. Normal guns are outranged by bomb-pumped nukes, and thus even with "area-defence" lasers, there is no defence against missiles.

Point-defence lasers are defined to have a range of adjacent (< 50 km in the AEH, < 100 km in the boxed set), and so are useless in all circumstances, especially as bomb-pumped nukes are defined as having a range of "close" (i.e. 150,000 km, which is unrealistic).

As a note, travel times are inconsistent in Mongoose, and apparently combat speeds are slower.

Anyway, the Mongoose turret lasers defy physics, since their stated range is far beyond what is possible with the frequencies involved. However, within the rules, they can at least attempt to engage incoming missiles, since they have the range range as det-warheads. However, the time needed to develop a firing solution means that counter-missile laser fire is going to be ineffective.

In the Mongoose rules, submunitions will be decisive. Cheap, a lot of damage, no range disadvantage, and no chance of point-defence.
Takei numbers seem right to me so where do you get your “ this
My back of a fag packet calculation put it closer to 400 dT.
A quick Google shows the Roci to be about 46m long and from various pictures seems to be about four times longer than it is wide:
11,5 x 11,5 x 46 =6 083,5m3 / 14 =434,536 m³” and you apparently don’t understand the purpose of this post I’m trying to recreate the Rocinante in general not argue GDW 2300 rules vs Mongooses
 
Rail guns are not used in 2300 so no rail guns
Go and read the AEH thoroughly, that's where you will find the railgun...

"Railguns require ammunition, at 50 shots per ton. Each ‘shot’ represents a burst of small diameter slugs travelling at very high speed. If the weapon also has the ‘Ortillery’ trait, then each ‘shot’ represents a single large slug of very dense material." page 67

"The Advanced Railgun, 56 mm (ARG-56) is an American design intended for hard orbital targets and surface targets. It is not intended for use against stutterwarp starships. Although this weapon is technically a coilgun, ‘railgun’ is the common term in use for a magnetically accelerated
gun, especially on a spacecraft." page 68

The Roci is not a stealth design either.
 
A fudge I used decades ago - the jump drive is no longer a jump drive, it is a high efficiency insystem drive. Jump fuel % is used to fuel this engine which has a duration of 1 hour.
Eg a 6 drive would use 60% of the ship for fuel and could burn at 6g for 1 hour or 1g for 6 hours...
 
Go and read the AEH thoroughly, that's where you will find the railgun...

"Railguns require ammunition, at 50 shots per ton. Each ‘shot’ represents a burst of small diameter slugs travelling at very high speed. If the weapon also has the ‘Ortillery’ trait, then each ‘shot’ represents a single large slug of very dense material." page 67

"The Advanced Railgun, 56 mm (ARG-56) is an American design intended for hard orbital targets and surface targets. It is not intended for use against stutterwarp starships. Although this weapon is technically a coilgun, ‘railgun’ is the common term in use for a magnetically accelerated
gun, especially on a spacecraft." page 68

The Roci is not a stealth design either.
Apparently you haven’t seen the show because the first time you see the Roci it’s doing a stealth mission and it’s commented that it has a stealth coating.

That rail gun is purely an anti station and planetary weapon not ship to ship “ It is not intended for use against stutterwarp starships. ” and not a point defense system. Did you come to this post to pick a fight because you have yet to shown a Railgun Point Defense system in AEH!
 
Apparently you haven’t seen the show because the first time you see the Roci it’s doing a stealth mission and it’s commented that it has a stealth coating.

Yes, I have seen the show many times (and read the books), if you could tell me the episode and rough time you are referring to I will take a look. My memory is that the stealth ships are a completely different design. The Roci's stealth mission has it dressed up like a container hauler.

The first time the Roci is seen is in the bay of the Donnager in episode 4.
That rail gun is purely an anti station and planetary weapon not ship to ship “ It is not intended for use against stutterwarp starships. ” and not a point defense system.
There are no rules that forbid its use against ships at adjacent range, nowhere am I claiming it is a PD weapon.
Did you come to this post to pick a fight because you have yet to shown a Railgun Point Defense system in AEH!
No, I came to confirm your statement that point defense turrets are in the AEH. I then corrected your error that there are no railguns in the AEH.

I have not claimed the railgun is a point defence system, my suggestion was for the 4 hardpoints for your 400t rating could be allocated as 1xPD, 2 launchers, (railgun later).

 
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Super-high efficiency nuclear drives are less realistic than stutterwarp, or spelljamming for that matter. There we have a maguffin that makes space travel possible, using unknown physics. With super efficient nuclear drives, we know the physics, and so we know they can't work.

A Mongoose 2k3 rocket, of any description, must burn so hot to get that amount of thrust from that amount of re-mass, that it would have a temperature that hasn't existed since the first second of the universe. At said temperatures electromagnetic and the weak nuclear force merge into electroweak. All matter becomes energy, and the drive instantly explodes with the energy of many tons of antimatter.
 
1. Acceleration is enough to be potentially lethal.

2. Requires drugs.

3. At best, our fuel consumption is one percent of volume per thrust hour, for reactionary rockets.

4. Assuming it's acceleration factor/ten, that's twenty percent for the rockets, and eight hours of full acceleration.
 
Rocinate isn't a "stealth ship" but is built with stealth characteristics in mind. Hence the retractable guns etc. vs UNN ships that don't have retractable guns etc.

Be aware, the Rocinate on screen is bigger than stated. It is approximately 64 m long scaled to the airlock door and people.
 
Huh, canonically the on screen Rochinate is 4,770 tons and 134.3 m long...

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If the 4,770 tons is based upon wet ship displacement, then the volume is likely around 11,000 m3, or ca. 800 Traveller dTons.
 
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1. Acceleration is enough to be potentially lethal.

2. Requires drugs.

3. At best, our fuel consumption is one percent of volume per thrust hour, for reactionary rockets.

4. Assuming it's acceleration factor/ten, that's twenty percent for the rockets, and eight hours of full acceleration.
You could always borrow the Nuclear Pulse Fusion drive from Zozer Games' Orbital 2100 sourcebook., which may have been partly inspired by The Expanse.
 
So I’m working on making the Rocinante from the Expanse in 2300. It’s going to be a shutterwarp ship but my goal is a reasonable version of the ship. In the series it’s classified as a Frigate which i think would work well. So here’s my starting point
TL 12 military
Hull 300 dt, composite space frame: Armor 12 pt (-18 dt), Advance, Radiation Shielded, Stealth.
Here’s the first question drive I’m thinking a Advance Nuclear OMS drive what’s everyone thoughts on this
Do you want it to land on any of the Sol system moons? I can't find the stats for them, but I'm guessing some of them are Size 1 or more, which would mean using Nuclear Thrusters rather than Nuclear OMS. If it's just going to zip around the belt then Nuclear OMS seems like a good way to go.
Then you get to power plant; fission or fusion? Fusion cleaves closer to the Roci but starts at 60 tons, which is a big chunk of a smaller ship.
 
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