The imperium use separate marine groups for planetary assault the ship board troops on the navy vessels are for boarding actions both defensive and offensive. For planetary assault the Marines use navy jump carriers which carry large landing ships like the Venter. This is similar to the way things are organized in modern navies. I can’t wait for the new version of the Vehicle handbook because if they fix fusion power plants like they should fix the Trepida and Astrin tonnage.
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Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Before they got that cringe inducing descriptor, Star Maines would be the supposed shipboard unit.
Pournelle had them pegged as Fleet Marines, being the technical elite.
The Confederation Navy has only that type as an option, and I just add battle dress plus assault shuttles to make them shock troops.
Aslan quality will vary, and Vargr qualify in the sense that they happen to be currently onboard a spacecraft.
Pournelle had them pegged as Fleet Marines, being the technical elite.
The Confederation Navy has only that type as an option, and I just add battle dress plus assault shuttles to make them shock troops.
Aslan quality will vary, and Vargr qualify in the sense that they happen to be currently onboard a spacecraft.
collins355
Banded Mongoose
Canon source for any of this, please?
(I acknowledge that Mongoose has not followed canon with the Trepida and Astrin tonnage)
“The Spinward Marches Campaign/Adventures in a War-Ravaged Sector” GDW 261 written by Marc Miller himself. It actually describes the FFW including some of the units the where are part of the War. The Ship on the Cover is a Venter. Also the Rebellion from MegaTraveller also talks about this.
The problem with the Trepida and Astrin is completely caused by the Vehicle Handbook that is not only not internally consistent but also not Consistent with other produces in 2ed. The Fusion rules in the book are completely broken not only does it make the statement later in the book that Fusion power is commonly used after TL 12 in realistic but it is completely inconsistent with all other Fusion Power Plants in other core books. Mongoose has stated that there will be a new version of the vehicle handbook released next year. They have implied that fixing the fusion problem is going to be a part of the revision.
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Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
GURPS pretty much made them the Nineties United States Marine Corps, which included organic armoured fighting vehicles and support.
They're mostly battalion sized strike forces, any larger and you're committing the major part of the subsector regiment.
They're mostly battalion sized strike forces, any larger and you're committing the major part of the subsector regiment.
WHULorigan
Cosmic Mongoose
CT-Book4: Mercenary also allowed Marine Infantry the possibility of cross-training in Cavalry or Artillery Branch (among others), and the possibility of transferring to those arms in subsequent terms of service, thus implying that they existed as branches of the Imperial Marine Corps (even if only small branches).
WHULorigan
Cosmic Mongoose
That idiom went over my head. What's the context?
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
The (original) idea being, that organic (combat support) units are more responsive to the needs of the line units.
Though, they weren't thrilled when the aircraft carriers went AWOL, and with them, air support.
Though, they weren't thrilled when the aircraft carriers went AWOL, and with them, air support.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
WHULorigan
Cosmic Mongoose
Got it.
It's been forever since I've seen The Life of Bryan.
WHULorigan
Cosmic Mongoose
And since we are more or less on the topic as a minor tangent, would anyone be interested in giving me a quick and clear distinction as to the current differences as to the nature and deployment of the Royal Marines as compared to the USMC (I am of course more familiar with the latter)? My impression is that they were both similar thru the First World War, but that the USMC mission and deployment changed as a result of the needs of the Second World War and beyond.
(And of course how this relates to people's perceptions of the nature of the Imperial Marines).
(And of course how this relates to people's perceptions of the nature of the Imperial Marines).
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Depends on what you expect them to do, or more precisely, missions and roles.
I could be wrong but if I remember right the Royal Marines are still organized as the traditional ships troops: Base Security, Ship Security, embassy security and Boarding actions. The USMC changed significantly I WW2 where in the pacific front they were needed to island hop and took over the role landing force “First In”. It was at this time that the USMC greatly expanded gaining many of the support that the Army had (tho the navy still supplies core men and some other support). Since then the Marines have gained even their own ships (Troop Carriers and Helicarriers) tho I think the navy still supplies the crew.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
Yup, you could be wrong.
Every Royal Marine is a commando, about the equivalent of a US Army Ranger but with maritime training also. They are also rotated to learn mountain and arctic warfare. There is an ongoing reorganisation of the Royal Marines taking place, with them now being designated as a special operations force.
en.wikipedia.org
Every Royal Marine is a commando, about the equivalent of a US Army Ranger but with maritime training also. They are also rotated to learn mountain and arctic warfare. There is an ongoing reorganisation of the Royal Marines taking place, with them now being designated as a special operations force.
Royal Marines - Wikipedia
The short version is that the Royal Marines are a commando unit designed to provide raiding, scouting, and specialist expertise to Naval and Army operations. They do not have a combined arms element. There are elements of the Royal Army trained to provide artillery support for RM operations and, likewise, elements of the Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm that are trained to support the Royal Marines. But, other than a small logistics element, the Royal Marines are an all infantry commando force. They are integrated command wise into the Royal Army when deployed ashore and revert to the Navy when afloat.
The USMC have developed into a distinct combined arms branch. Though they have recently scaled back on their integral armor, they have maintained their own fixed and rotary wing pilots, armor, artillery, and support elements. They have commando elements in the USMC, but that isn't the totality of Marine Corps role.
Traveller has generally used the USMC model, including their distinctive ranks and generally suggesting that the Marines are trained and equipped for extensive long term planet side operations, with their units have integral artillery and armor elements, with some sources stating that they have their own starships (with Navy crews)
WHULorigan
Cosmic Mongoose
Yup, you could be wrong.
Every Royal Marine is a commando, about the equivalent of a US Army Ranger but with maritime training also. They are also rotated to learn mountain and arctic warfare. There is an ongoing reorganisation of the Royal Marines taking place, with them now being designated as a special operations force.
Royal Marines - Wikipedia
Thanks. That is VERY helpful.
WHULorigan
Cosmic Mongoose
Yup, you could be wrong.
Every Royal Marine is a commando, about the equivalent of a US Army Ranger but with maritime training also. They are also rotated to learn mountain and arctic warfare. There is an ongoing reorganisation of the Royal Marines taking place, with them now being designated as a special operations force.
Royal Marines - Wikipedia
@Sigtrygg: Would you say that what Tytalan said above would have been essentially correct prior to the Second World War?
I didn’t know they were reorganizing as commando in 1942 so I was wrong as to their current mission. You have to be careful about anything Sigtrygg comments on that I have commented on he goes out of his way to attack me. But he is right about their current mission.
