Yawn...nothing until August???!!!!

[High Lord Dee]

I get the idea of a 2nd ed whether needed or not but couldn't Mongoose at least put out an adventure module or something to keep the game fresh and moving along?

I guess everyone was correct that Runequest was going to be THE game. Well, I for one, disagree and have to admit that I am extremely disappointed. I have every book published by Mongoose for Conan and am not even close to being satisfied yet. Maybe I am alone?

Anyways, wake me up in August and MAYBE I will still be interested in a game that appears to have been abandoned by its publishers....

Hope I am wrong.

HLD

 

[Axerules]

First: you're not alone. The "long cold wait" is hard for us too. Two, even if I (and some others members of this forum) complained a lot about this, to be fair we must admit that Mongoose threw us a bone with the last S&P: one article and an adventure. It's better than nothing ! And in a thread Erick Rodriguez wrote that there would be "more" from Vincent Darlage and him and that he wasn't "talking about the 2ED". So...crossing fingers...

 

[Padre]

(...)And in a thread Erick Rodriguez wrote that there would be "more" from Vincent Darlage and him and that he wasn't "talking about the 2ED". So...crossing fingers...

It may sound harsh, but I won't believe a word until I actually see the new stuff. The "more", "first of many" and "great things ahead for Conan" slogans are getting old and I can't help feeling that the greatest things are already behind us. Back in te 'good old days' we used to have new hardbacks, boxed sets, adventures, classbooks and more. Now we're waiting for updates, reprints and update-reprints; campaigns and miniature game(s) went under the radar. Long Cold Wait sucks even more now.

 

[Clovenhoof]

Bah, you are lucky! You already have most of the Conan stuff. Try taking up playing Conan now. The Atlantean Edition appears to have been sold out for months -- I couldn't get it anymore -- and even the Pocket Edition is not available everywhere, seems to be only leftovers.

Edit:
ARRRRGH and I HATE it! Just wanted to order some books, had waited with it to give my fellows the chance to combine their orders -- and over night, two of the books I wanted are sold out! That's what you get for showing consideration for your friends. Someone will bleed.

 

[Kyorou]

Try this one : http://www.leisuregames.com/acatalog/Conan_RPG.html

 

[Yogah of Yag]

I'm just glad that there was a little more Conan material in S&P. I was afraid that my article would have been the last.

I've had it up to *here* with being jerked around with this publisher, honestly. I've since abandoned 3.x to return to 1st edition AD&D for the first time in 26 years. It's good to revisit that wonderful Gygaxian prose! 8)

 

[Strom]

I'm just glad that there was a little more Conan material in S&P. I was afraid that my article would have been the last.

I've had it up to *here* with being jerked around with this publisher, honestly. I've since abandoned 3.x to return to 1st edition AD&D for the first time in 26 years. It's good to revisit that wonderful Gygaxian prose! 8)

Gotta love the Gygax! I was reading the AD&D GM Guide the other day for the hell of it.

Hopefully you will come back around when the 2nd ediion comes around. What has the 'Goose done to make you so mad? Besides giving us the 'long, cold wait'.

 

[B_Steele]

I've had it up to *here* with being jerked around with this publisher, honestly.

With the long hours I am currently putting in on CONAN material...sentiments like these are very disheartening.

We are in the business to make lots of games for lots of people, and sometimes one game or another has to be put into a growth spin for a few months while others are being worked on.

Just because a plane has been put in a holding pattern does not mean is it going to crash because the tower has forgotten about them.

Have a little faith guys, we aren't in the business to tick off our fan base.

Cheers all,
Bry

 

[Clovenhoof]

I think it's not fair to bash Mongoose just because we have to wait a little for new material.

Personally, I am delighted that Mongoose even MAKES the Conan game. The supplements that exist so far cover a lot and, as far as I have heard, are very well made. Conan is up to now the best fantasy game I know. It really has struck a nerve with me that no other fantasy game did.
Even though I'm not a Howard fanatic, I was looking for a game suitable for a raw, primeval, barbaric setting, and Conan gives me EXACTLY that, the system being perfectly suited for the task.

And besides, I think the running support is also good, they try to publish free content in S&P every so often, and it's always nicely written.

So, dear Steele, don't feel disheartened. Kudos to Mongoose for making the game. =)

 

[Padre]

Nah, it's not really bashing. We're spoiled by numerous Conan releases and it's not that easy to switch from having good books each month to just reading about unspecified "great things ahead".

 

[Spectator]

I think its fair to bash the Goose, That being said let me first make clear some things:
1. I am Glad that MGP is publishing the Conan Title when they could have dropped it.
2. I understand that designing a new game takes time.
Signs and Portents is now free!!!!
3. You will never please everybody all the time.

Now onto bashing:
1. THe damn books are taking too long to get out. Oh yeah and if I see and freaking prufe-reedinge earrors (lol) I don;t thin kyou have 2 legs to stand on.
2. THe MGP is guilty of terrible PR by lack of communicating to existing players eg, which items are out of print, short-stocked, etc...
3. A conversion manual; maybe a FREE PDF to spike our interest would be nice.
4. THe Damn Shadizar Map fiasco
5. MGP could make the old out-of-print titles available for download at a reduced price???
6. The treatment of their creative for starters. No names will ever be mentioned.

I am off to work so I can't finish this thread but be sure to hop on and continue.

 

[Padre]

What does it have to do with the Long Cold Wait?

I really want to see these "great things for Conan", or at least know what these great things are gonna be.

 

[Dpetroc]

As for Mongoose being bad at communicating with its fan base -- there are some legs to that but frankly after the Dragon/Dungeon farce, I think WotC has set a new bar for customer disdain. Mongoose is actually not too bad about it. Matt Sprange posts not infrequently and responds to many (not all, nor even most, but I'll take many) questions.

Yeah - proofreading has been a problem. Conan has some good ones, but nuthin' and I mean NUTHIN' beat the poor proofreading for Starship Troopers. And, in fairness I think they have had some improvement overall.

Speaking of which...Starship Troopers has been in the long cold wait for far longer than Conan and but for vague references to 2nd edition, Conan fans are living the life of Riley when it comes to new releases, S&P articles etc.

My greatest peeve with Mongoose for Conan has been how they have taken substantive, meaty books (by all accounts and rumors), and reduced them to 96 page summary works. You can tell how much has been omitted. THAT frustrates me.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm really waiting to see what 2nd edition has to offer before I'm going to consider buying. Suggestion to Mongoose: put out a REEEEAAALLLLYYYY good preview. With game stores being fewer and farther between than ever, I'll need a good look before I 'upgrade'.

 

[Clovenhoof]

frankly after the Dragon/Dungeon farce, I think WotC has set a new bar for customer disdain.

I haven't followed the WOtC/D&D developments in the recent years, what happened there?

 

[Dpetroc]

frankly after the Dragon/Dungeon farce, I think WotC has set a new bar for customer disdain.

I haven't followed the WOtC/D&D developments in the recent years, what happened there?

Quickly -- WotC ended the license to the publisher who puts out Dragon and Dungeon -- effectively ending the magazines in September after over 30 years for Dragon. They said they were going to move to an online model. The backlash from the netizens on the Wizards boards, ENworld and elsewhere was pretty siginificant. Besides for some vague promises, WotC has not really shown what the new 'Digitial Initiative' is all about and by their own admission haven't fully fleshed out many details (such as digital rights management). It was four days (more?) before the Wizards folks chimed in and began spin control which really rang hollow with many people. A good number of fans went off the deep end with the rhetoric as well.

A lot of the vehemence was because Wizards' announcement was pretty sterile, and the nostalgia factor for older gamers (such as myself!) made feelings run a bit high.

(the preceding comments are MY observations of the events as they unfolded on various boards - I'm not looking to start a flame war about this -- it's already been done).

Although many folks really went overboard, overall it was a pretty poorly handled event for WotC.

 

[Clovenhoof]

I see, thanks for the heads up!

 

[Kyorou]

That is also my opnion : Vincent's stuff is great, Mongoose's editing is terrible.

I'm still amazed when I find reprinted material in a book. It just kills me that I actually paid for it twice.

 

[Clovenhoof]

It just kills me that I actually paid for it twice.

It depends. Sometimes, in other RPGs, I even saw stuff from the respective core book reprinted in a supplement. Even that can be handy, though. For example, the _German_ versions of the Shadowrun magic books (2E and 3E) had all the magic rules in them, even those that were included in the core book. That was great because you had everything packed in one book and didn't have to flip pages. Note that the English version did not have this feature.

In other cases, I found it really a waste of space, for example in certain supplements to decipher's LOTR RPG.

However, I suppose the "reprinted stuff" you mean will be mainly crunchy bits, like new feats that first appeared in one splat book and then are reprinted in another.
I appreciate this practice very much! Keep in mind that not everyone buys all the books. I, for one, don't. And I do NOT want to be referenced to a different splat book, particularly not a setting-centered one.

It would rather kill me if I had to buy a $25 book just to get a half-page worth of info I need to make another $25 book work.

 

[Kyorou]

I agree with you : sometimes reprinted stuff can be handy.

But to see that a paragraph has been copy-pasted elsewhere in the same book is never pleasant.

 

[Clovenhoof]

Ah okay I understand.
Lol, wonder what you'd say to my Conan pocket edition then -- it has entire pages duplicated, for example the bpook goes Thief - Allegiance - Thief - Allegiance or something like that. ^_^
And at the end, after index, it starts over with the first pages.
Well, I don't really mind but it's kinda funny.