Wiz Kids at it again..!!! from land and now Sea....!!!!!

1/1800 sounds much better. I think I'd be interested if the friggin things weren't collectible. I hate that crap.

Chern
 
Mr Evil said:
il judge when i got one in my hand i think.

to be honest il probably play flatpack to begin with as i dont get as much time to mini game as i like, and im limited to 3 Mini game sytems, one will always be warmachine/hordes, the other is FOW , SST collection is near finished for me now and il exchange that for BF evo probably. i can see VAS tandoming with FOW for me.

Just all depends on if we get a russian fleet to use along side my fow russians, then we can get a full campain going at my ,local historical games club,

if MP do a soviet list this game will hit big time with FOW players trust me, .. why... because nearly every other comapny who do a decent fleet game ignor the soviets.....or dont do them justice.

Evil, you better skip your Russians for WW2 naval fights. They just didn't have their "stuff" together until the Cold War, dude. I'd suggest you take a look into what the Imperial Japanese Navy had back in WW2. Now there is a first-rate naval power! Hooyah! :wink: . Either that, or wait until Mongoose updates VaS to the 1980's so that your Russkies can have a fleet. You would be in even more trouble if you went back in time as the Japanese sank the Russian Navy (both of them!) in 1905...
 
They still had the Black Sea fleet left, the Japanese only sunk the Pacific and Baltic fleets...

And beat the vastly numerically superior Russian army on land, repeatedly...

Nick
 
captainsmirk said:
They still had the Black Sea fleet left, the Japanese only sunk the Pacific and Baltic fleets...

And beat the vastly numerically superior Russian army on land, repeatedly...

Nick
Yup, and occupied Port Arthur as well as refurbished and assimilated many Russian units into the Japanese Navy. As far as the Black Sea fleet, it was all they had left, to be sure.
 
DM said:
Could have been so different if Makarov hadn't been killed.

Yeah, going down with his ship wasn't good strategic planning, but he might not have had a choice there :shock: .
 
The Russian were very careless with their admirals throughout the war...

Although Rozhestvensky's desperate, yet ultimately futile, efforts to not rendezvous with Nebogatov's "Self-sinkers" always amused me...

Always found Tsushima a very interesting battle, the only true Nelsonic victory (more "Nelsonic" in fact than Nelson himself managed), the culmination of a century of attempt emulations, yet 5 months later the Dreadnought was laid down, the aeroplane had first flown two years previously, and the submarine was entering service in ever increasing numbers. A pretty dramatic end to an era of warfare.

And most interestingly I find that when Admiral Togo visited Rozhestvensky in hospital, he was accompanied by one of his officers from the battle, a young Lieutenant Isoroku Yamamoto...

Nick
 
BuShips said:
Mr Evil said:
il judge when i got one in my hand i think.

to be honest il probably play flatpack to begin with as i dont get as much time to mini game as i like, and im limited to 3 Mini game sytems, one will always be warmachine/hordes, the other is FOW , SST collection is near finished for me now and il exchange that for BF evo probably. i can see VAS tandoming with FOW for me.

Just all depends on if we get a russian fleet to use along side my fow russians, then we can get a full campain going at my ,local historical games club,

if MP do a soviet list this game will hit big time with FOW players trust me, .. why... because nearly every other comapny who do a decent fleet game ignor the soviets.....or dont do them justice.

Evil, you better skip your Russians for WW2 naval fights. They just didn't have their "stuff" together until the Cold War, dude. I'd suggest you take a look into what the Imperial Japanese Navy had back in WW2. Now there is a first-rate naval power! Hooyah! :wink: . Either that, or wait until Mongoose updates VaS to the 1980's so that your Russkies can have a fleet. You would be in even more trouble if you went back in time as the Japanese sank the Russian Navy (both of them!) in 1905...

contrary to american text books the russians had an emense warfleet that prevented gernamy attacing most of northern euorope AND PREVENTED ALL PLANS OF AN INVASION OF SCOTLAND.

also the patrols of the black sea also severly hampered russian advances, and also the patrol of the far eastern empire meant many russian ships never saw battle.
 
Mr Evil, it wasn't American textbooks as the info is from anybody's textbooks or the web. You are talking about a different war. What you are saying is all fine, but that was in the "Great War" of WW1, around 1914-18. The Russo-Japanese war of 1904-05 was a bad time to be a Russian sailor. Trust me, as I'm sure it's a lesson that's even in the Russian history books. :wink:
 
Evil, maybe your comment was meant as a reply to an earlier post, as I now think you might have meant WW2 and not WW1. Fair 'nuf. If it was WW2 though, the Germans had far less than they did in WW1 and only had a chance against England by mass building of U-boats. Hitler messed up big time, as he had a large plan on the books for a rebuilt German fleet and was planning for war around 1946 or so. He bit off more than he could chew, and miscalculated that war would not be declared over Poland.
 
Wulf Corbett said:
Locutus9956 said:
Where do you get that this is Wizkids by the way looks like Avalon Hill to me...
Avalon Hill own the 'Axis & Allies' name, WizKids have licensed it to produce a seemingly endless line of mediocre collectable minis games.

Bloody awful aircraft, decent tanks, mixed bag of infantry.

Wulf

Avalon Hill is owned by Hasbro, the same company that owns Wizards of the Coast. :wink:
 
Quel said:
Wulf Corbett said:
Locutus9956 said:
Where do you get that this is Wizkids by the way looks like Avalon Hill to me...
Avalon Hill own the 'Axis & Allies' name, WizKids have licensed it to produce a seemingly endless line of mediocre collectable minis games.

Bloody awful aircraft, decent tanks, mixed bag of infantry.

Wulf

Avalon Hill is owned by Hasbro, the same company that owns Wizards of the Coast. :wink:

Hasbro: America's version of the EE :wink: .
 
Lowly Uhlan said:
Hasbro: The Evil Empire of gaming.

Yeah, well kind of. I've never been a fan of allowing one company to swallow up all others in its own arena. To me, it stifles the industry. To its credit, Hasbro has made quite a lot of games. This is a bit just like when only a few major banks own all of the others, whether you know it or not.

A list of the companies "Borged" by Hasbro-
Avalon Hill
3M Games (acquired when Avalon Hill was bought)
Milton Bradley
Parker Bros.
Wizards of the Coast
TSR (acquired when WOTC was bought)
Of course others I'm not aware of.

Is it any surprise that Hasbro owns the game of Monopoly (R) ?

In their defense (devil's advocate), it might be necessary to buy out the competition in a changing world in which fewer and fewer of its customers buy non-electronic games. It's just that in a world full of many possible colors I may want to choose something other than grey, but grey might be all that is offered. That's why I say- Go Mongoose Publishing!
 
Hmm, I wonder if Mongoose will appear on their shopping list at some point? :?

Other way round would be good :P
 
There is also another way of looking at it. Some people might get into it enjoy the basics of wargaming and then start looking around for something more sophisticated.
 
Jellicoe said:
There is also another way of looking at it. Some people might get into it enjoy the basics of wargaming and then start looking around for something more sophisticated.

Very true, very true. Gateway drugs, as such? :lol: Well, you can only play "Battleship" for so long, and then you want something with a tad more detail :wink: .

"A6"
"Craps! You sunk my battleship, you tard!" :lol:
 
BuShips said:
Is it any surprise that Hasbro owns the game of Monopoly (R) ?
Monopoly is an interesting case. Aparently an American court has already decided that Parker Bros. can no longer clain TM & C on Monopoly, as they simply used the basic rules & setup of an existing older game. Monopoly is public doman! Hasbro, however, continue to make threats to anyone using the name, despite having no legal backing. I was once pointed to a website containing the full legal ruling (boring but educational...), after commenting that a joke version named Necronomonopoly (the game of Lovecraftian Property Development) might be taking a risk.

Wulf
 
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