What scale would you like to see BF:Evo move forward with?
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Sgt. Brassones
Mongoose
1/72 Sooooooo many compatible models and terrain.
Rabidchild
Mongoose
Keep things as they are, just start up the line again. Keep things in 1:64 so I can keep using my armies. If it goes open source then make it scale-free like VaS. Most people will go to 1/72 I think, and that will mean that Mongoose couldn't compete with what is already available on the market.
Either way, without a standardized scale (even if that's just a blurb on the cover that says "now in 1:72!") the game will wither. The gamers interested in Evo are not the same kind of gamers that play VaS. What works for VaS will not work for BF:Evo.
Either way, without a standardized scale (even if that's just a blurb on the cover that says "now in 1:72!") the game will wither. The gamers interested in Evo are not the same kind of gamers that play VaS. What works for VaS will not work for BF:Evo.
shotgun-toting chipmunk
Mongoose
{drama}
1/72 will kill the game!
{/drama}
Seriously, using the idea of "do this, there's plenty of stuff available already!" is not a recipe for success. Remember the reason Mongoose opted not to produce minis for VAS was two-fold: a) they didn't expect it to take of the way it did, and b) there were already plenty of options available, and they felt it would not be smart business-wise to compete in that market.
Now Mongoose has an advantage with BF:Evo over any other company right now: Nobody makes a significant amount of post-modern models. Shoot, you could argue that nobody makes any. Sure, a couple of companies make tanks and infantry, but think about how many companies make troops with Land Warrior Equipment. Or Shadows? Just imagine when Mongoose starts putting out things like the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle! Even current-day stuff is hard to find in 1/72 beyond the Abrams, Challenger, and HMMWV, and generic NATO troops. Try looking for a LAV-AD, Osprey, or Tunguska and you'll see what I mean. Heroic 28mm? Fahgettaboutit!
This could lead to an argument either way. Some might say the advantage to switching to 1/72 or heroic 28mm is that it will be compatible with other stuff, meaning collectors, players of other games, and model-builders will be interested in anything Mongoose makes that isn't available elsewhere. I look at it from a business perspective: If that's true, not only do you risk the possibility of people going elsewhere for primary units like, but your hinging the success of your line on specialty units. If you want to succeed, you need your bread-and-butter units to thrive.
Sticking with the current scale makes sense. Yes, it's somewhat unique, but a good release schedule will offset concerns that "there's nothing to play with." Current players will feel their investment was validated (well, most will; a few prepaint fans will be upset regardless), so you're bread-and-butter units are still viable without a complete overhaul. In other words, Mongoose doesn't have to start from scratch.
As for personal preference, I love the current "true 28mm scale" because I like troops with realistic proportions, and 1/72 still feels just a little too small for me.
1/72 will kill the game!
{/drama}
Seriously, using the idea of "do this, there's plenty of stuff available already!" is not a recipe for success. Remember the reason Mongoose opted not to produce minis for VAS was two-fold: a) they didn't expect it to take of the way it did, and b) there were already plenty of options available, and they felt it would not be smart business-wise to compete in that market.
Now Mongoose has an advantage with BF:Evo over any other company right now: Nobody makes a significant amount of post-modern models. Shoot, you could argue that nobody makes any. Sure, a couple of companies make tanks and infantry, but think about how many companies make troops with Land Warrior Equipment. Or Shadows? Just imagine when Mongoose starts putting out things like the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle! Even current-day stuff is hard to find in 1/72 beyond the Abrams, Challenger, and HMMWV, and generic NATO troops. Try looking for a LAV-AD, Osprey, or Tunguska and you'll see what I mean. Heroic 28mm? Fahgettaboutit!
This could lead to an argument either way. Some might say the advantage to switching to 1/72 or heroic 28mm is that it will be compatible with other stuff, meaning collectors, players of other games, and model-builders will be interested in anything Mongoose makes that isn't available elsewhere. I look at it from a business perspective: If that's true, not only do you risk the possibility of people going elsewhere for primary units like, but your hinging the success of your line on specialty units. If you want to succeed, you need your bread-and-butter units to thrive.
Sticking with the current scale makes sense. Yes, it's somewhat unique, but a good release schedule will offset concerns that "there's nothing to play with." Current players will feel their investment was validated (well, most will; a few prepaint fans will be upset regardless), so you're bread-and-butter units are still viable without a complete overhaul. In other words, Mongoose doesn't have to start from scratch.
As for personal preference, I love the current "true 28mm scale" because I like troops with realistic proportions, and 1/72 still feels just a little too small for me.
1/72 actually makes a lot of sense - under one condition: the models will be good enough to stand next to existing 1/72 scale models. It is doable (take a look at 6mm GHQ vehicles - they are often much better than even 28mm vehicles detail-wise). I would be willing to buy 1/72 modern vehicles and infantry from MP. I am not willing to buy 1/64, as it does not fit my collection scale-wise.
Lorcan Nagle
Mongoose
1/72 and 1/64 are close enough scale-wise for vehicles that the difference is minimal, but I'd rather keep to 1/64 for compatability with my already-purchased infantry.
Sgt. Scream
Mongoose
Lorcan Nagle said:
QFT. I have three factions based on MGP products.
If it aint broke....don't fix it! Give me my game game back with miniatures painted or unpainted!
If you change the scale, I will hunt you down, tie you up, and show you naked pictures of Rosanne Barr! Seriously, changing the scale would obsolete the minis we have now (you know already we are scale nazis!) and corner the market from competitors for your game.
We love you Mongoose!!!
If you change the scale, I will hunt you down, tie you up, and show you naked pictures of Rosanne Barr! Seriously, changing the scale would obsolete the minis we have now (you know already we are scale nazis!) and corner the market from competitors for your game.
We love you Mongoose!!!
I have the current scale and 1/72..... Personally, 1/72 is the way to move on. and while I only have brought around 4 MGP boxes, that is a constable slab of my gaming budget from last year for some one of my income…. So I think I throw my 2c in relatively unbiased.
yes, its going to really annoy people with heavy investment in the current scales infantry, however if MGP enters the 1/72 market and produces kits that no other manufacture has, I believe it will be a run away success and has the potential to gain new games\stores because face it, 9/10 FLGS have been burnt by SST and BEvo, it will be hard to get them to stock the new game... however dedicated model hobby shops will not know of MGP and will provide a hopeful influx of new gamers.
The scale (sorry for using the dirty ‘s’ word guys :lol: ) also makes the ranges seem longer, MGP tanks\APCs\Etc seem to be in scale with 1/72 infantry more so than there legit counterparts. In addition to this, recently I played a game with MGP MEA in a game that featured Revell Germans, US NATO troops (Aussie Commandos) and Force Recon (Proxied Spetnaz) Unless the MGP models where *right* next to the 1/72 infantry, it looked fine.
1/72 should drive Evos cost down as well, making it a viable option for gamers on a budget (one of its main selling points in my area). MGP’s choice manufacture for there new WWII game Liberation miniatures ( http://www.rhmodels.com/ ) all ready produces some modern 1/72\20mm stuff so there potential for them to get involved is there as well.
Well that’s my 2c….
yes, its going to really annoy people with heavy investment in the current scales infantry, however if MGP enters the 1/72 market and produces kits that no other manufacture has, I believe it will be a run away success and has the potential to gain new games\stores because face it, 9/10 FLGS have been burnt by SST and BEvo, it will be hard to get them to stock the new game... however dedicated model hobby shops will not know of MGP and will provide a hopeful influx of new gamers.
The scale (sorry for using the dirty ‘s’ word guys :lol: ) also makes the ranges seem longer, MGP tanks\APCs\Etc seem to be in scale with 1/72 infantry more so than there legit counterparts. In addition to this, recently I played a game with MGP MEA in a game that featured Revell Germans, US NATO troops (Aussie Commandos) and Force Recon (Proxied Spetnaz) Unless the MGP models where *right* next to the 1/72 infantry, it looked fine.
1/72 should drive Evos cost down as well, making it a viable option for gamers on a budget (one of its main selling points in my area). MGP’s choice manufacture for there new WWII game Liberation miniatures ( http://www.rhmodels.com/ ) all ready produces some modern 1/72\20mm stuff so there potential for them to get involved is there as well.
Well that’s my 2c….
dsfrankevo
Mongoose
pre-painted minis in the current scale will be the economically viable & therefore have the greatest chance of success
dsfrankevo said:
matt said they would not be economically viable due to the factory screwing MGP around, hence why they needed UBI to come though for them to give MGP more investment capital.
the prepaints are gone for now, which i know sucks for some people but why not suggest what you would like *besides* the prepaint option.
Armchair_Marine
Mongoose
Sgt. Brassones said:
Soooo freakin small for my taste.
Armchair_Marine
Mongoose
shotgun-toting chipmunk said:
My thoughts exactly! I said this in another thread, and I'll say it again - Good luck to anyone trying to find minis equiped with FN SCAR rifles or HKM416 rifles!
Ace 1/72 Lav-AD still in production, plastic kit.
OOP 1/72 pre-painted but still available from CDC armor / IXO / Deagostinia on Ebay from time to time. (i have one! )
Whoops! Edit! LAV-AD is now OOP from Ace.
But LAV-L is still available.
Armo offer a LAV-AD and LAV-25 resin 1/72. Expensive but nice.
OOP 1/72 pre-painted but still available from CDC armor / IXO / Deagostinia on Ebay from time to time. (i have one!
)Whoops! Edit! LAV-AD is now OOP from Ace.
But LAV-L is still available.
Armo offer a LAV-AD and LAV-25 resin 1/72. Expensive but nice.
Sgt. Scream
Mongoose
Who said it is hard to find a Tunguska in 1/72?
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