Wayfarer
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I see no reason why they cannot 'update' the new game, and iron out the little kinks. There aren't that many.
If Wayfarers is just a reprint with the Glorantha stuff omitted, then I can see no reason to purchase it. There's little to no incentive to do so.
This is a chance to improve on an already robust game engine. To not bother would hurt the game, the gamers, and the company.
No winners all round.
If Wayfarers is just a reprint with the Glorantha stuff omitted, then I can see no reason to purchase it. There's little to no incentive to do so.
This is a chance to improve on an already robust game engine. To not bother would hurt the game, the gamers, and the company.
No winners all round.
danskmacabre
Mongoose
Grimolde said:
It already has an option to drop hit locations for NPCs, you could just apply that for PCs.
If you did so you would need to have serious look at the Combat maneuvores as many of them no longer work RAW - as we found out with total HP NPCs
accroding to the recent post on Planet Mongoose, they may be coming round to tweeking it a bit......
We will re-release the core book (the mechanics unchanged, with the exception of integration of errata and a few clarifications - anything new will be posted, for free, on our web site for owners of the RQII rulebook), Arms & Equipment and the Monster Coliseum (renamed and potentially with the arena rules removed - we wanted the book to be more than just a monster manual, but it seems that is exactly what most people wanted!). Those will appear fairly quickly, as they form the core of the game, but we will also bring back Empires and Vikings, and likely Necromantic Arts a little further down the line.
accroding to the recent post on Planet Mongoose, they may be coming round to tweeking it a bit......
We will re-release the core book (the mechanics unchanged, with the exception of integration of errata and a few clarifications - anything new will be posted, for free, on our web site for owners of the RQII rulebook), Arms & Equipment and the Monster Coliseum (renamed and potentially with the arena rules removed - we wanted the book to be more than just a monster manual, but it seems that is exactly what most people wanted!). Those will appear fairly quickly, as they form the core of the game, but we will also bring back Empires and Vikings, and likely Necromantic Arts a little further down the line.
danskmacabre
Mongoose
Da Boss said:
Oh yeah, I guess things like "choose location" would be a bit pointless for starters.. heh.
alex_greene
Guest
Me, I love the magic system.taxboy said:
Nowadays, I find myself wondering whether or not I can improve on it.
Vile
Banded Mongoose
Will you re-issue your books once (if) Wayfarer happens? What will be the status of existing MRQ2 licence holders? Obviously you'll have to give up the licence (whether that means you'll have to sell/pulp your books after a certain period I don't know), so will you try to get a Wayfarer licence instead? It should be cheaper, too! :wink:carandol said:It's probably worth pointing out that Clockwork & Chivalry isn't a Mongoose setting, its ours, and we certainly intend to continue supporting it!
And if it doesn't happen, will you re-write/re-licence them for another system? Any chance of moving to BRP?
Morgan d'Barganfore
Mongoose
IMO the current core system works very nicely and should be left alone.
OK, there might be a couple of clunky bits and some buffing/polishing might benefit - as a thought, Mongoose could run run an (official) thread asking us, the fans, to comment on what we think needs fixing and with suggestions. That then could get us players/GMs to go a big chunk of the work.
They did a similar think with Hackmaster 4,.0 and that worked very well (ended in a 16 page errata book). However, Kenzer then lost the license and lost the core rules system. I haven't touched anything from there since.
With Wayfarer though, the core rules are retained (which is very good) and, at most, could do with embodying collected errata.
Essentially we're having terrific Deus Vault fun and want it to contune without disruption..
OK, there might be a couple of clunky bits and some buffing/polishing might benefit - as a thought, Mongoose could run run an (official) thread asking us, the fans, to comment on what we think needs fixing and with suggestions. That then could get us players/GMs to go a big chunk of the work.
They did a similar think with Hackmaster 4,.0 and that worked very well (ended in a 16 page errata book). However, Kenzer then lost the license and lost the core rules system. I haven't touched anything from there since.
With Wayfarer though, the core rules are retained (which is very good) and, at most, could do with embodying collected errata.
Essentially we're having terrific Deus Vault fun and want it to contune without disruption..
Personally I wouldn't go changing anything in Wayfarer/RQII combat system. (Clarify, certainly.) Combat maneuvres and hit locations are what make this game so special, and if you go changing it, it will become just another d100 and would make me wonder why bother? BRP is already doing the simple version of d100, I see no sense in trying competing with it, as it has a head-start in this. The appeal of Wayfarer should be in its unique, deadly and realistic combat system. IMHO of course.
It is the magic system I am not so sure about. The current system offers an interesting mix, but I wonder if this is too Runequest and rune centred for generic use? I've been trying to think how to bring the RQII magic system somewhat closer to generic high-magic system, ala. D&D 3.x, and I see some minor difficulties in this area. On the other hand the magic system is very interesting and versatile, so I don't want to dumb it down too much. Any thoughts on this?
It is the magic system I am not so sure about. The current system offers an interesting mix, but I wonder if this is too Runequest and rune centred for generic use? I've been trying to think how to bring the RQII magic system somewhat closer to generic high-magic system, ala. D&D 3.x, and I see some minor difficulties in this area. On the other hand the magic system is very interesting and versatile, so I don't want to dumb it down too much. Any thoughts on this?
Vile said:Will you re-issue your books once (if) Wayfarer happens? What will be the status of existing MRQ2 licence holders? Obviously you'll have to give up the licence (whether that means you'll have to sell/pulp your books after a certain period I don't know), so will you try to get a Wayfarer licence instead? It should be cheaper, too! :wink:carandol said:It's probably worth pointing out that Clockwork & Chivalry isn't a Mongoose setting, its ours, and we certainly intend to continue supporting it!
And if it doesn't happen, will you re-write/re-licence them for another system? Any chance of moving to BRP?
While theoretically we have to pulp any stocks remaining in the warehouse once the license expires, in practice, due to the way digital printing works (i.e. print small quantities as and when they're needed rather than all at once) it won't be a problem. As for what we're doing next - we're pretty sure of the way forward, but we're currently deep into getting the Airship Pirates RPG (http://airshippirates.abneypark.com/) ready for Gencon release, so aren't planning to sit down and work out the details until we've got more time. (Notice the subtle and gratuitous plug there?) Once all our ducks are lined up and singing from the same hymn sheet (bless 'em) we'll make an announcement. The next C&C supplement, Divers & Sundry will be coming out as planned next month, and the next Kingdom & Commonwealth adventure, Hobbes: Leviathan in the winter, and that's all I'm saying at the moment!
Morgan d'Barganfore
Mongoose
So what is minimum economic size to convert a pdf to a hard copy book?
drdentista
Banded Mongoose
Verderer said:
Yep, that's my feeling too. I never really liked the RQ magic system for other settings. It's all very Glorantha to me. Right now I'm looking into the magic system of an old OOP Swedish RPG, "Drakar och Demoner" (Dragons & Demons) which is a BRP derivative, but that evolved along quite different lines than RQ/BRP. Excellent stuff and easy to integrate into the current MRQ2/WF system...
Stainless said:
Ouch. :shock: Are you always that rude to writers to their faces?
If it were *just* a post-apocalypse game, fair enough. But I can't actually think of any other post-apocalyptic games that include steampunk, Neovictorian dystopias, time travel, giant man-eating beasts, flying cities, where you get to play airship pirates. And certainly not one with music by Abney Park. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri3zPE5OqJg
Oh now, see, you've stung me into further advertising. I'll stop now.
Morgan d'Barganfore
Mongoose
I'm hoping the Mongoose guys will start to populate this topic - then we can start the transition (you know, hearts and minds stuff) to Wayfarer..
carandol said:Stainless said:
Ouch. :shock: Are you always that rude to writers to their faces?
If it were *just* a post-apocalypse game, fair enough. But I can't actually think of any other post-apocalyptic games that include steampunk, Neovictorian dystopias, time travel, giant man-eating beasts, flying cities, where you get to play airship pirates. And certainly not one with music by Abney Park. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri3zPE5OqJg
Oh now, see, you've stung me into further advertising. I'll stop now.
Sorry, I woke up in a v. bad mood today due to a night of mayhem with my children. No sleep and forums don't mix. :x Actually, the more you "sell" it to me, the more I'm not interested. Sorry. To my personal tastes, chucking as many genres and tropes into a game in the hope that something sticks with someone just isn't my thing. I could say a lot more but it's neither the time or place....
