Very economical interstellar travel outside of known space

[MarcusIII]

Okay... going by the CRB description, it suggests that the patient is placed in hibernation by Fast Drug anyway, so scratch any thoughts about needing to entertain them. Dose them up and strap them in so they can't roll out of bed.

I do not think a standard acceleration couch is going to be suitable, although some kind of bunk bed arrangement would likely be equivalent in volume.

But keep in mind these are hibernating people. They still breathe and may move, and will almost certainly need nursing attention to avoid bedsores, or to deal with toilet matters, which frozen passengers will not. That can be automated, but robot crew vs live crew is a separate discussion.

Naw, just lower gravity to eliminate bedsore problem. They sleep for a subjective 3 hours then awaken, they won't need to go to the bathroom. Just have them not drink for a couple hours before lift off. Just need cots with straps. They consume air at 1/60th the rate of normal. Nothing to really do with them while they sleep. Pack 10 to a dTon at Cr300 each. Rig up a place in the cargo hold. Adjust with passenger numbers. Make Credits.

 

[swordtart]

Nope it is also creating a NEW argument that is NOT part of what is being argued and pointing to THAT in order to "win" the argument that was being examined.. Which is exactly what you did.

What makes you think I am trying to "win" anything. I have no interest in winning against a random person on the internet who I have never met and have no desire to. You raised a proposal and questioned why it wouldn't be more common. I pointed out my reasons why I didn't think it would be. Now you are getting in a tizz because I had the audacity to not immediately agree with your proposal.

If you don't want it discussed, don't post it.

Cool, so MORE expensive than a normal set up which would increase cost. So it is stikl a loser for the ship owner and the passenger. So why would a ship owner choose less revenue over more revenue?

What do you mean by a "normal" setup. TL12 is entirely normal.

But it is still MANY times more than risk free Fast drug.

Nil is not many more times than Nil. You cannot go lower than no chance of something ocurring.

Also, by lowering cost to a couple hundred credit for no risk travel from Cr8,000 would cause a BOOM in people traveling.

No risk Low travel is Cr700 per jump.

Anyone old enough to have been flying via commercial jet before Reagan deregulated airlines knows this to be a fact. A ticket that in 1972 was $4,800 one way (in today's $) now is about $58 round trip.

What has this got to do with anything.

So, no doubt this would cause a MAJOR change in travel between the stars

Yes if you change a basic premise of travel in Traveller then it will have profound impact on travel in Traveller.

Since I am in agreement on your last point I'll step out at this point.

 

[rinku]

It wasn't the air consumption rate I was thinking of, but if something happens to the air itself. Low Berths survive depressurisation, normal passengers get into emergency vacc suits, Fast drug patients die.

But don't get me wrong. I support the concept. I'm just testing it to find issues that would need to be addressed.

 

[MarcusIII]

It wasn't the air consumption rate I was thinking of, but if something happens to the air itself. Low Berths survive depressurisation, Fast drug patients die.

All high and mid passengers die from decompression. Not really a risk to consider when talking passenger types.

 

[Anstett]

All high and mid passengers die from decompression. Not really a risk to consider when talking passenger types.

No one was comparing High or Mid passengers. The comparison is Low Berth versus Fast Drug.

Low Berth sits inert until the power runs out.
Fast Drug dies when the air runs out.

 

[Terry Mixon]

FastBerth, Single

FastBerth, Cluster

 

[MarcusIII]

No one was comparing High or Mid passengers. The comparison is Low Berth versus Fast Drug.

Low Berth sits inert until the power runs out.
Fast Drug dies when the air runs out.

So? High and mid passage also dies when the air runs out. What's you point?

 

[rinku]

All high and mid passengers die from decompression. Not really a risk to consider when talking passenger types.

I did provide an example of how a regular passenger doesn't. Decompression isn't always the bulkhead blowing out and all the air gone in seconds... but even when it IS, active passengers have a short time to get emergency vacc suits on. Hazardous, but they have a fighting chance. If the leak is less severe, they are probably able to leave the room and seal it.

Terry's Fast Berth is solid, but is probably not the budget version you're proposing.

 

[MarcusIII]

So, based on econ it is clear that the Imperium wants to keep interstellar travel of the average person to a minimum. Travel restrictions whether overt or covert has been the mark of tyrannical governments for a long time. Freedom of movement would be a boon for the economy. A more free polity would outgrow and become more powerful than one so restrictive.

 

[MarcusIII]

I did provide an example of how a regular passenger doesn't.

In explosive decompression 99% of passengers would die and would never make it into a vacc suit. Airline passengers have a hard time putting on a breathing mask dropped into their face and that isn't even a vacuum situation. So, high and mid passengers would die like flies in a space vacuum decompression incident

 

[rinku]

You have about 10-15 seconds if the pressure drops immediately to near vacuum (Look up Jim LeBlanc). Call it two combat rounds. I agree that most people are toast in that situation, unless they're wearing some sort of easily deployable protection. Maybe the old crew jumpsuit with a soft helmet in the collar, though it wouldn't be automatic, unless it's the Starlord helmet idea (which I think IS in CSC?).

However, it is quite possible that the air loss is much slower than that - maybe the pressure drops to critical levels in 20 seconds. That gives 20 seconds to get into a crash bubble or don a helmet and gloves.

My point was merely that an active passenger is able to self-manage an emergency better than a comotose one.

 

[MarcusIII]

You have about 10-15 seconds if the pressure drops immediately to near vacuum (Look up Jim LeBlanc). Call it two combat rounds. I agree that most people are toast in that situation, unless they're wearing some sort of easily deployable protection. Maybe the old crew jumpsuit with a soft helmet in the collar, though it wouldn't be automatic, unless it's the Starlord helmet idea (which I think IS in CSC?).

However, it is quite possible that the air loss is much slower than that - maybe the pressure drops to critical levels in 20 seconds. That gives 20 seconds to get into a crash bubble or don a helmet and gloves.

My point was merely that an active passenger is able to self-manage an emergency better than a comotose one.

Even if 20 seconds passenger pretty much all die. Sleeping in bed, DEAD. Eating in lounge, DEAD. Standing in front of suit when pressure drops, possibly survive IF they stay calm and are well trained. So, not enough difference to make paying so much more. How many star ships just lose pressure outside of battle? Basically none.

 

[Condottiere]

I think that bears develop a natural butt plug when hibernating.

And we did invent the catheter.

Breathable air could be preinstalled by placing a breathing mask.

Decompression would require a vacuum suit.

Maybe there is one cheap enough in the Catalogue, that would be the adjusted equivalent of a week's use, considering four hours divided by sixty is ten days oxygen.