Old School
Mongoose
That argument applies to most of the MgT2 Core and High Guard ships, if not all of them. They are not anything close to optimized for the MgT2 ruleset. They are attempts at faithful re-creations of the CT ships.
Updated High Guard Ships
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Geir
Emperor Mongoose
Old School said:
Understood. And that's where the dissonance comes in. I understand the point, but even there it's not always complete. For instance, the LBB Yacht had enough fuel for 2 jump-1. The basic issue is that the old ships from 40+ years ago were they way they were because of the rules. The new ships that try to match them are that way in spite of the rules. Don't get me wrong, I like the current Highguard rules for the most part so changing them is not the best answer, but at some point, I think that sensible, even if not optimal, design changes should get made to match the current rule set. That's probably why, with some exceptions (Buccaneer) the designs in the Ships of the Reach make more sense. No legacy chains.
I suspect, no matter what Andrew does, somebody will complain, because having it both ways is almost impossible. As I think Matt said earlier, it's a big universe out there. Maybe the focus should be on building new ship designs, not the sixth or tenth iteration of the same ship. Less arguments that way.
Old School
Mongoose
Geir said:
Of course. I’m not arguing with you. I’m agreeing with you.
If I use any 2nd highguard ships, I check the design for obvious areas of improvement by current rules and adjust accordingly.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Plankwell:
By the stats it has two sensor systems, but only one Distributed Array. Not noted in the text.
Is has Jump Control/2, despite having no non-Core computer.
Kokirrak:
Cost of 5800 Dt modular space is not the same as tonnage, should be MCr 852.6
By the stats it has two sensor systems, but only one Distributed Array. Not noted in the text.
A small Fusion Bay costs MCr 8, hence 50 bays cost MCr 400, not 800.
By the stats it has two sensor systems, but only one Distributed Array. Not noted in the text.
Is has Jump Control/2, despite having no non-Core computer.
Kokirrak:
Cost of 5800 Dt modular space is not the same as tonnage, should be MCr 852.6
By the stats it has two sensor systems, but only one Distributed Array. Not noted in the text.
A small Fusion Bay costs MCr 8, hence 50 bays cost MCr 400, not 800.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Azhanti:
A Particle 2D spinal is MCr 1000 per D, so the spinal should cost MCr 2200, not 1100 (with TL mod).
A Particle 2D spinal is MCr 1000 per D, so the spinal should cost MCr 2200, not 1100 (with TL mod).
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Serpent:
2 Dt power plant fuel is 8 weeks endurance, not 20 weeks.
Free Trader, Type A
Low Berths take 2 Power, not 1.
Power requirement lists Loading Belt, but the ship has no Loading Belt.
Safari Ship:
Cost of Launch is off, should be MCr 2.367.
Effective size of Multi-Environment Space is not noted.
At 1 Dt per 20 Dt, two 7.6 Dt Multi-Environment Spaces should use about 0.8 Dt equipment?
Cost of ATV?
2 Dt power plant fuel is 8 weeks endurance, not 20 weeks.
Free Trader, Type A
Low Berths take 2 Power, not 1.
Power requirement lists Loading Belt, but the ship has no Loading Belt.
Safari Ship:
Cost of Launch is off, should be MCr 2.367.
Effective size of Multi-Environment Space is not noted.
At 1 Dt per 20 Dt, two 7.6 Dt Multi-Environment Spaces should use about 0.8 Dt equipment?
Cost of ATV?
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
System Defence Boat
Sensor includes size and cost of Countermeasures, but Countermeasures cost is added again.
Yacht
Cost is not discounted for standard design?
Rock
Planetoid configuration has an armour and Hull bonus. Total armour should be 6 and Hull 150.
Sensor includes size and cost of Countermeasures, but Countermeasures cost is added again.
Yacht
Cost is not discounted for standard design?
Rock
Planetoid configuration has an armour and Hull bonus. Total armour should be 6 and Hull 150.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Gazelle
Cost of gig?
System Defence Boat – 400 tons
Cost of M-drive & P-plant? Tech stage Budget not noted.
Cost of gig?
System Defence Boat – 400 tons
Cost of M-drive & P-plant? Tech stage Budget not noted.
AndrewW
Emperor Mongoose
AnotherDilbert said:
That is why only Advanced has an x2 indicating two of that system, but nothing else does.
AnotherDilbert said:
Not sure where that came from, leftover from something else is my guess (especially considering it would need Jump Control/4 if it didn't have a core computer.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Annic Nova
Bridge costs should be based on hull rounded up to the next hundred Dt, so 600 Dt and MCr 3 & MCr 1.5?
Cost not discounted for standard, not noted.
Bridge costs should be based on hull rounded up to the next hundred Dt, so 600 Dt and MCr 3 & MCr 1.5?
Cost not discounted for standard, not noted.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
AndrewW said:
The Tigress has the same notation, but has three Arrays for the three sensors.
Tigress, three arrays for three sensor systems:
Plankwell & Kokirrak, one array for two sensor systems:
It gets a bit confusing?
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
AndrewW said:
Agreed, MCr 435.
For some reason my spreadsheet based modular cost on both hull and armour cost. I have no idea if that is something that was discussed during beta, or just my own house rule... I might have considered the armour part of the hull?
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Spreadsheet updated with this and other bugs found in this thread:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tidv4xqelrw2byv/ MgT2 Ship Template.xlsx?dl=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tidv4xqelrw2byv/ MgT2 Ship Template.xlsx?dl=1
