Traveller Developer's Pack

[smiths121]

Hi All,

I took a look at the Foreven stuff in the SRD yesterday. The thing that popped out in sector I was the planet in 0726. On travellermap.com, and traveller.wikia.com this planet appears to be 0723.

I have not looked at any other subsectors to see if they are the same or different. Is there a partcular reason why they are different?

 

[Sylvre Phire]

I noticed a small number of differences, but nothing that "breaks" the sector. Don't sweat it. I myself talked to Matt about it and it's nothing to be concerned about. Just little differences to make Mongoose's Foreven stand out from the original.

Pax et bonum,

Dale Meier
Creative Director
Hell Creek Sanitarium
Omaha, NE

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

Besides, there is NOTHING that makes you use that map. It is provided as reference. Make your own map.

 

[mlooney]

Ok, no one has asked it, so I will...

When is Scouts going to get it's SRD?

 

[dmccoy1693]

Ok, no one has asked it, so I will...

When is Scouts going to get it's SRD?

A better question would be: "Can we please have an SRD for Scout?"

Mongoose said they'd release an SRD for the core book, Merc and HG. They have done so. Everything else is on a case by case basis and if there is sufficient demand for it.

EDIT: For me and the plans I have for my company, everything I need is already out, so I do not require a Scout SRD.

 

[Infojunky]

Ok, no one has asked it, so I will...

When is Scouts going to get it's SRD?

Does scouts need one?

 

[mlooney]

Ok, no one has asked it, so I will...

When is Scouts going to get it's SRD?

Does scouts need one?

That depends on if we can use (vs reprint) the rules for stellar mapping, such as they are.

 

[Stofsk]

Ok, no one has asked it, so I will...

When is Scouts going to get it's SRD?

Does scouts need one?

That depends on if we can use (vs reprint) the rules for stellar mapping, such as they are.

I actually want to get Scouts, but I can't find it in any of my local stores. I appreciated the fact that both Mercs and HG got an SRD, but I ended up buying those sourcebooks anyway.

I'm in love with the IISS

 

[Sylvre Phire]

For the record, Hell Creek's needs are a bit broader. We would love to see SRDs for the major profession books, both present (Scouts) and upcoming (Merchant Prince, Scoundrel, etc). While an SRD for Psion would be nice, it's not essential to our own plans, just icing on the cake.

Pax et bonum,

Dale Meier
Creative Director
Hell Creek Sanitarium
Omaha, NE

 

[Infojunky]

Ok, no one has asked it, so I will...

When is Scouts going to get it's SRD?

Does scouts need one?

That depends on if we can use (vs reprint) the rules for stellar mapping, such as they are.

Er? you don't need an SRD to use the results of Generation.

Or are you wanting to alter it for your own purposes and publish your method?

 

[mlooney]

Does scouts need one?

That depends on if we can use (vs reprint) the rules for stellar mapping, such as they are.

Er? you don't need an SRD to use the results of Generation.

Or are you wanting to alter it for your own purposes and publish your method?

You must not have been on the OGL mailing list when it was being hammered out. The short version: If it's not in the SRD you can't use it. Mongoose has explicitly said the there is no open gaming content in the Scout book, therefor the rules for Mainworld Cartography are not open game, and they have enough unique items in them that using them will create a recognizable derivative work, which is a copyright violation.

Granted, I'm talking about WotC's take on the OGL stuff, and the Mongoose seems to be playing nicer, but I would like the rules to either be
in a OGLed document or get a flat statement from some one in Mongoose (like, say Matt) saying that the mechanical effects of applying game rules (even not open content) does not result in a actionable derivative work.

 

[Infojunky]

You must not have been on the OGL mailing list when it was being hammered out. The short version: If it's not in the SRD you can't use it. Mongoose has explicitly said the there is no open gaming content in the Scout book, therefor the rules for Mainworld Cartography are not open game, and they have enough unique items in them that using them will create a recognizable derivative work, which is a copyright violation.

Granted, I'm talking about WotC's take on the OGL stuff, and the Mongoose seems to be playing nicer, but I would like the rules to either be
in a OGLed document or get a flat statement from some one in Mongoose (like, say Matt) saying that the mechanical effects of applying game rules (even not open content) does not result in a actionable derivative work.

Ah it is one of those sorts of arguments......

We'll leave it at that, as all sides tend to be dogmatic....

 

[Sylvre Phire]

You must not have been on the OGL mailing list when it was being hammered out. The short version: If it's not in the SRD you can't use it. Mongoose has explicitly said the there is no open gaming content in the Scout book, therefor the rules for Mainworld Cartography are not open game, and they have enough unique items in them that using them will create a recognizable derivative work, which is a copyright violation.

Granted, I'm talking about WotC's take on the OGL stuff, and the Mongoose seems to be playing nicer, but I would like the rules to either be
in a OGLed document or get a flat statement from some one in Mongoose (like, say Matt) saying that the mechanical effects of applying game rules (even not open content) does not result in a actionable derivative work.

Here, here! Matt, could you or someone else in the Mongoose warren with OGL-fu give us an answer on this?

Pax et bonum,

Dale Meier
Creative Director
Hell Creek Sanitarium
Omaha, NE

 

[MongooseMatt]

You must not have been on the OGL mailing list when it was being hammered out. The short version: If it's not in the SRD you can't use it. Mongoose has explicitly said the there is no open gaming content in the Scout book, therefor the rules for Mainworld Cartography are not open game, and they have enough unique items in them that using them will create a recognizable derivative work, which is a copyright violation.

Here, here! Matt, could you or someone else in the Mongoose warren with OGL-fu give us an answer on this?

For the specific example given here, no - no core rules in Scouts are useable as Open Content.

 

[mlooney]

You must not have been on the OGL mailing list when it was being hammered out. The short version: If it's not in the SRD you can't use it. Mongoose has explicitly said the there is no open gaming content in the Scout book, therefor the rules for Mainworld Cartography are not open game, and they have enough unique items in them that using them will create a recognizable derivative work, which is a copyright violation.

Here, here! Matt, could you or someone else in the Mongoose warren with OGL-fu give us an answer on this?

For the specific example given here, no - no core rules in Scouts are useable as Open Content.

Let me be clear here. Are you saying I can't say "Orbits 1,2 and 3 are in the jump shadow. The last inner orbit is 3 and the first outer orbit is 6" Orbit 1 is a small rock (size 1) ..... Orbits 6 through 9 have Gas Giants. The main world (Exampli) is in orbit 4" in an OGL product?

Note I'm not going to explain how I got those numbers
It's not a deal breaker either way, and that would be what WotC would say, just want to make sure we are on the same sheet of legal sized paper.

 

[dmccoy1693]

Let me be clear here. Are you saying I can't say "Orbits 1,2 and 3 are in the jump shadow. The last inner orbit is 3 and the first outer orbit is 6" Orbit 1 is a small rock (size 1) ..... Orbits 6 through 9 have Gas Giants. The main world (Exampli) is in orbit 4" in an OGL product?

Note I'm not going to explain how I got those numbers
It's not a deal breaker either way, and that would be what WotC would say, just want to make sure we are on the same sheet of legal sized paper.

You cannot do that with the OGL at this pointin time. If Mongoose comes out with a Scout SRD, then you can, but until then, no.

You may be able to do that through other legal channels, but I would not even consider doing that without first consulting a lawyer or two. Something like that is not for the faint of heart to try. Even if you do get the ok from a few lawyers, you still might get a Cease and Desist notification and a resulting court battle to continue to do so in the future.

Seriously, just stick with the OGL. It is the safe harbor.

 

[mlooney]

Seriously, just stick with the OGL. It is the safe harbor.

And now you see why I asked about a Scout SRD. I knew that at least one company (WotC) would say what Matt said, I just was checking if Mongoose was saying it as well.

So, Matt, about that Scout SRD....

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

You can list planets in orbit out from a star. Scientists do that now, that i not game mechanics.

If you come up what is in those orbits, you can do that too. Again, that is not game materials.

HOW you roll the UWPs for those worlds is not OGL, it isn't even Close Content since there is NO MGT method you can use.

Using the method in Scouts to determine the contents of the Planetary Belt is not allowed, but there are other ways to do it than as described in Scouts.

The terms they use "R, M, C" etc have been used in other games and are based on real-life classifications of asteroids, so you can use those.

The published method for determining number of planets and where the habitable zone is in Scouts cannot be duplicated or modified since it is not OGL, but there are LOTS of ways to come up with the same info, especially if you are just listing info and not describing how you got it.

For example:

Star: G4v
Orbit 1: UWP: X100000-0 (Inner Zone)
Orbit 2: UWP: X4A0000-0 (Outer Zone)
Orbit 3: UWP: LGG with 3 large moons and a ring system
Orbit 4: UWP: X610000-0

I just made that up, there is nothing Closed about it. The UWP is OGL.

 

[mlooney]

You can list planets in orbit out from a star. Scientists do that now, that i not game mechanics.

If you come up what is in those orbits, you can do that too. Again, that is not game materials.

HOW you roll the UWPs for those worlds is not OGL, it isn't even Close Content since there is NO MGT method you can use.

Using the method in Scouts to determine the contents of the Planetary Belt is not allowed, but there are other ways to do it than as described in Scouts.

The terms they use "R, M, C" etc have been used in other games and are based on real-life classifications of asteroids, so you can use those.

The published method for determining number of planets and where the habitable zone is in Scouts cannot be duplicated or modified since it is not OGL, but there are LOTS of ways to come up with the same info, especially if you are just listing info and not describing how you got it.

For example:

Star: G4v
Orbit 1: UWP: X100000-0 (Inner Zone)
Orbit 2: UWP: X4A0000-0 (Outer Zone)
Orbit 3: UWP: LGG with 3 large moons and a ring system
Orbit 4: UWP: X610000-0

I just made that up, there is nothing Closed about it. The UWP is OGL.

On the other hand, "Jump Shadow" isn't open, in any sort of way.
Like I said, not a deal breaker either way, just would be nice.

 

[Infojunky]

On the other hand, "Jump Shadow" isn't open.

Er? Its in prior editions.....

So it isn't exclusive to the Mongoose edition.....