Goblinoid Games said:
We'll add an indicator on the actual SRD this weekend - you can safely assume it is all Open though.
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We'll add an indicator on the actual SRD this weekend - you can safely assume it is all Open though.
Goblinoid Games
Mongoose
msprange said:
Thanks Matt, just checking.
It is very generous of you guys to open this up. What a great show of support to open gaming!
RandyT0001
Mongoose
OK let me put this out there in plain sight. I would like to create my own space empire (not OTU) using my own world creation system (based on 3d6, d100, etc) whose results generate the familiar UWP (1003 B776978-A) plus some additions like star type, etc. (There may be some differences in the meaning of what an 'A' starport is from standard, Mongoose Traveller for example.) These differances in meaning and the system to generate will be in the source book for this ATU.
There may be other source books that detail certain differances in characrter classes, weapons, etc.
Now the questions.
If I sign and return the TLL acceptance form can I put the Traveller logo on the material and sell it?
Assumine I sign and recieved TLL is said material open content (and so I have to put the OCL in it) or still copyrighted held by me?
Assuming I did not recieve TLL is said material open content (and so I have to put the OCL in it) or still copyrighted held by me?
There may be other source books that detail certain differances in characrter classes, weapons, etc.
Now the questions.
If I sign and return the TLL acceptance form can I put the Traveller logo on the material and sell it?
Assumine I sign and recieved TLL is said material open content (and so I have to put the OCL in it) or still copyrighted held by me?
Assuming I did not recieve TLL is said material open content (and so I have to put the OCL in it) or still copyrighted held by me?
msprange said:Yes. We were 'this' close to closing the world creation rules (which I think is what you are talking about) but, as of about two hours ago, relented. You can indeed write new world creation rules, as much as you could write a new career, or even a new system of doing careers.
I did notice that and appreciate it
. The thing is, could I write a new world design system and still use the Traveller terms for the UWPs (i.e. refer to them as "UWPs", lay it out like that, etc). And are specific dice mechanics closed content too (e.g. using 2d6-2 or 2d6-7+something in a new system)?
I also can't imagine you're going to lay claim to general terms like size, atmosphere, hydrographics, population, government, law, tech level, and starport. Or do I have to make up entirely new terms and use entirely different dice rolls for those? (it would be really silly if I have to come up with another word for "government").
Golan2072
Cosmic Mongoose
Since the armor and weapon data is missing, does that mean that these numbers are closed content, and could a 3rd party product publish its own weapon stats for its own weapons (say, a modern RPG with stats for AK-47s, M-16 and M-1911s) and still claim compatibility with Traveller i.e. us the TLL)?
captainjack23
Cosmic Mongoose
So, working on understanding this:
at first glance, I see that the trade rules are pretty stripped down, and the trade code calculations are excluded - so:
one could write trade rules using the the SRD text plus reference to the core rules tables to be used in in ones own universe....this would allow use of the traveller Logo.
Adding some home brewed additional tables replacing the ones which would normally be referenced in the core book could disallow use of the TLL, but would be okay under OGL.
The home brewed tables would become Open if they contained refrerence to closed content - for instance, trade codes or UWP effecting the table results.
If I create my own version of trade codes, , IF they were truly dfifferent enough, the trade tables I generated could become closed.....for me only.
Any unique text I write about economics for this sytem can be closed if it is unique, open if it repeats SRD text, orand disallowed if referenceing the OTU or closed content (witout previous licence such as held by Mongoose or Avenger)
Am I ballparky here ?
at first glance, I see that the trade rules are pretty stripped down, and the trade code calculations are excluded - so:
one could write trade rules using the the SRD text plus reference to the core rules tables to be used in in ones own universe....this would allow use of the traveller Logo.
Adding some home brewed additional tables replacing the ones which would normally be referenced in the core book could disallow use of the TLL, but would be okay under OGL.
The home brewed tables would become Open if they contained refrerence to closed content - for instance, trade codes or UWP effecting the table results.
If I create my own version of trade codes, , IF they were truly dfifferent enough, the trade tables I generated could become closed.....for me only.
Any unique text I write about economics for this sytem can be closed if it is unique, open if it repeats SRD text, orand disallowed if referenceing the OTU or closed content (witout previous licence such as held by Mongoose or Avenger)
Am I ballparky here ?
Gruffty the Hiver
Banded Mongoose
The short answwer is "no".Duroon said:
The OTU is ringfenced for FFE, MP and Avenger* (through their discussions and agreements with MP). Anyone outside of those 3 groups (i.e. the rest of us) cannot write about, hint at or mention the OTU.
Sorry
.*forgot Steve Jackson Games and their GT stuff - they're allowed to put out OTU stuff as well.
Remember, guys, that there's a lot of Open Game Content in Traveller T20 that can be ported over into MGT because both are released under the same OGL. What you can't find in one, you might be able to find in the other and then just convert as needed.
There's some interesting stuff there. For example, the Epic Adventure System is OGL.
With Regards,
Flynn
There's some interesting stuff there. For example, the Epic Adventure System is OGL.
With Regards,
Flynn
msprange said:we do actually _want_ people to use it
...and there, it a nutshell, is the difference between the Traveller SRD and Logo License, and say....the D&D GSL.
Hooray for Open Gaming. Excellent work, as usual -- Thank you for this!
...And yes....as I mentioned to Hanrahan, Adamant will be all over this like hydrogen in a Jump bubble. I just need to check our proposed support products against the license and SRD to confirm that we're copacetic....but it's looking good so far....
Gruffty the Hiver said:The short answwer is "no".Duroon said:
The OTU is ringfenced for FFE, MP and Avenger* (through their discussions and agreements with MP). Anyone outside of those 3 groups (i.e. the rest of us) cannot write about, hint at or mention the OTU.
Sorry
*forgot Steve Jackson Games and their GT stuff - they're allowed to put out OTU stuff as well.
You also forgot QLI for the next year or so. Which may or may not be relevant, given current problems.
And BITS, until their license expires as well. (ISTR another year or two.)
dmccoy1693
Cosmic Mongoose
Matt and the Mongoose Team:
THANK YOU!
I hope to see plenty of freelance opportunities with 3rd party companies.
THANK YOU!
I hope to see plenty of freelance opportunities with 3rd party companies.
dmccoy1693
Cosmic Mongoose
Flynn said:
Flynn, all 12 of the classes are there. Page 7, Medical Bills table.
I didn't see many the sub-classes, though.
I made a pdf-version of the SRD similar to the RuneQuest SRD Luxury Edition (only with a SF-style). Does anyone have a Traveller (Fan-)Web-Site with a download section and is interested in hosting it? The RuneQuest pdf is quite popular (over 1100 downloads on one of the two download locations).
PM me if you are interested in hosting it on your traveller-related web-site, otherwise I will use a file-hosting service.
PM me if you are interested in hosting it on your traveller-related web-site, otherwise I will use a file-hosting service.
RandyT0001 said:
1. Yes.
2. The copyright always belongs to you with Open Content. However, Open Content has been called 'copyleft' allowing others to use it. Any material based on existing Open Content (which will be most, if not all rules) has to be Open, and designated as such. Background and setting information does not need to be Open - but can be designated as such.
3. Still Open, and still copyright to you
Duroon said:
Absolutely not - the OTU is strictly out of bounds.
EDG said:
1. Yes you could. Specific dice mechanics have nothing to do whether something is Open or not (or need not have anything to do with it).
2. At the present time, those terms are not protected. If we later choose for them to be so (which is not something we would do lightly), it would be mentioned in the TLL - it would have nothing to do with Open Content.
