l33tpenguin
Mongoose
A single set of ships identical for both game types with rules to balance the races at the campaign level or two lists, one set each to balance the gameplay at the fleet level.
Tournament and Campaign
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emperorpenguin
Mongoose
One set of fleet lists useable no matter the style of game (ie one off or campaign)
It works in BFG, it'll work in ACTA
It works in BFG, it'll work in ACTA
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
Use the current Tournament list with variants extrapolated from it for everything, no need whatsoever for any campaign re-balancing. Just like I already do...
Wulf
Wulf
Geekybiker
Mongoose
One List to rule them all,
One list to find them,
One list to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
One list to find them,
One list to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
l33tpenguin
Mongoose
Out on the Rim, where the Shadows lie
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
ROFLMAO :lol:
wargame_insomniac
Mongoose
Then why when I asked the question as a total newbie was I told repeatedly that the tournament lists with tournament ship stats are balanced for tournament play whilst the campaign lists with campaign ship stats are also balanced but for campaign play??Wulf Corbett said:
If campaign lists are currently balanced, and then you change the campaign ship stats over to the tournament ship stats without making any other changes to the rules, then campaign lists can therefore no longer be balanced.
All we need from Mongoose (until 2d edition ACTA comes out) is an expanded PDF based on the exisitng tournament rules & ship stats (which everyone assures me are perfectly balanced for tournament play, with some additional several pages of additional rules/tables for campaign play.
I can then try to learn ACTA having to memorise only 1 set of ships stats regardless of whether playing 1-off or campaign games. And I can then persuade friends at local gaming club that they do in fact want to play ACTA.
From looking at the responses to this & similar threads it seems that the more experienced ACTA players can cope with current situation and that newbies like me find it too confusing. Just remember that the newbies of today are the experienced players of tomorrow. And if Mongoose are n't able to attract as many new players because it is too confusing.....
:?
James
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
My opinion (apart from the fact it is just an opinion) is based solidly on the two facts thatwargame_insomniac said:
a) I never play Tournament games and so basically don't consider them
b) I was meaning that Mongoose should develop such a full fleet list, not that they already had.
Besides, the Tournament lists are available free. Mongoose are in the business of SELLING stuff.
Wulf
l33tpenguin
Mongoose
They can always just sell the single list. Also, consider that they tried to make you pay to buy a list of tournament ships. Now you are buying the minis, the rules, the basic ships and the ships for tournameny play? That wouldn't fly too well.
I don't like the idea of having to learn two fleets. If you bring your fellow players up on tourny fleets, since they are balanced for one offs, they learn that. Now you are playing more and want to rule a campaign? well, forget your old strats, your ships are all different.
I'm in favor of one list of balanced ships, with campagn rules better balanced to all these same ships in such a setting
I don't like the idea of having to learn two fleets. If you bring your fellow players up on tourny fleets, since they are balanced for one offs, they learn that. Now you are playing more and want to rule a campaign? well, forget your old strats, your ships are all different.
I'm in favor of one list of balanced ships, with campagn rules better balanced to all these same ships in such a setting
lastbesthope
Mongoose
wargame_insomniac said:
But the rules do change, mainly, the knock on effect of campaign games, and all the upgrade/repair activity that goes on between battles does not feature in tournament play. You just hit the reset button and go again.
LBH
Geekybiker
Mongoose
lastbesthope said:
Easy fix. Make race specific RR rules for campaigns. Some races tend to have alot more damage to fix, while other just lose ships outright.
I think the biggest difference between a campaign and one offs is just the mentality. In tournaments you dont care if your fleet is destroyed as long as you take out your opponent first. In campaigns you're much more likely to flee a losing battle to preserve ships for another day.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
l33tpenguin said:
They tried to make you pay? When? Way back when we first started playtesting these lists Matt said they'd be freely available IIRC. I don't remember any talk of buying them!
I agree on your second point, it is awkward, especially when you make a mistake during a game because you confuse the two stats!
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
Another fine job by the lovely playtest team :lol:Chernobyl said:
Well, I certainly argued the point...
Wulf
wargame_insomniac
Mongoose
That works for me- now we just have to persuade Mongoose....Geekybiker said:
Cheers
James
