But in Conan you don't get any AC bonus from armor so you could argue that every attack is a touch attack.
Deadpool said:But in Conan you don't get any AC bonus from armor so you could argue that every attack is a touch attack.
Touch attacks in the conventional context of D20 is not used in Conan. But a "touch attack" is still an important differentiator than just an attack. The main reason is that it bypasses armor DR (damage reduction). This may seem like splitting hairs but I think it is still important that the term is kept.
I thought that another difference was that touch attacks couldn't be Parried, only Dodged.
Well, I can't find anything in the rule book stating that it bypasses armor DR and I also don't see the reasoning behind that.
But seeing as I can't recall any touch attack delivering damage in itself, this probably is a moot point.
Deadpool said:Well, I can't find anything in the rule book stating that it bypasses armor DR and I also don't see the reasoning behind that.
But seeing as I can't recall any touch attack delivering damage in itself, this probably is a moot point.
You are right, there isn't any "rule" defining that a touch attack bypasses armor DR, what I was trying to get at is that you can Dodge (as was discussed) a touch attack only and that if there was any damage that was to be applied - it would be magical and therefore ignore armor's DR. It is the same reason that grappling damage isn't affected by the armor's DR. The damage or effect passes through the armor. I view the term "touch attack" is still relevant and an important distinction. Especially as future spells and/or items are created.
It is also used when throwing objects that are breakable upon contact (such as vial of oil or acid, etc.).
But, wouldn't you say that the bypassing DR trait would be inherited from the type of damage and not the touch attack?
Because I just can't picture an acid eating away at your flesh and not destroying the armor first. Although I can see that this will be determined on a per case basis, atleast for me
pa11ad1n said:it can't be parried or otherwiser blocked
pa11ad1n said:pa11ad1n said:it can't be parried or otherwiser blocked
I'm confused, in what way does this suggest that it can't be dodged?
Raven Blackwell said:In the use of ranged touch attack though, I ruled that players couldn't get any bonus to their Dodge DV via shields, as that would involve contact with the spell effect. Cover, since it is seperate from the person, adds its benefit normally but if it is a near miss, the spell applies to whatever [or whoever] is providing the cover, if applicable.
Raven, splitting hairs
Right. I don't remember with the Conan game specifically, but OGL ruling with touch attacks is that making ANY contact sets off the spell, so making contact with a shield, for example, is still touching the person you're trying to hit. I believe in Conan it says that dodge DV can count, but not Parry DV. Hope I remembered that right.Hyborian Apeman said:That sounds reasonable enough. I haven't had to do so, but I would make the same ruling.Raven Blackwell said:In the use of ranged touch attack though, I ruled that players couldn't get any bonus to their Dodge DV via shields, as that would involve contact with the spell effect. Cover, since it is seperate from the person, adds its benefit normally but if it is a near miss, the spell applies to whatever [or whoever] is providing the cover, if applicable.
Raven, splitting hairs