Tank scale

[I was... Mongoose Adrian]

Both the tanks and figures are scaled at 1:65.

The tanks are not too small...
Photography paticularly if angled can give a false impression of the size...
Also as mentioned the slottabase does make the men relatively a foot or so taller than if standing flat on the ground.

 

[CudaHP]

Those who keep using the photographs as a basis for "precise" size comparisons between the tanks and foot soldiers would benefit from a thorough reading of any good book on "Photo Interpretation" especially those sections dealing with optical distortion based on the relative positioning of the photographed objects versus the elevation above dead horizontal and positioning of the camera to the left or right of the center of the photograph.

Basically there seems to be a great deal of untrained misinterpretation of the photographs.

This is at least the fifth thread complaining about "apparent" scale differences based on incomplete information.

Mongoose has repeatedly stated the soldier figures and tanks are in the same scale!!

Why not wait and measure the actual figures and tanks? :?: :?:

I know, that would be too simple. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I know just a tiny bit about Photo Interpretation, just enough to realize how deceptive these photographs can be.

For those who want to continue, Carry on. 8) 8) 8)

 

[Helstrom]

Well, now that the second wave of previews is here, guess we might as well dig this one up again

As it stands right now, I too think the vehicles are too small. This may be partly due to the base size, but even the technicals look small (narrow, especially) compared to the gunners in the back. I'll gladly believe that the infantry and vehicles are technically to the same scale, but that doesn't matter much in my opinion - what matters is how it looks, and right now, the vehicles simple look too small.

Which is a bloody shame because the models are really nice. Personally I'm hoping that it's a matter of the infantry models being a bit on the tall side for 28mm (not counting the base), because I'll be all over the vehicle kits if they match up with my TAG minis

 

[Paladin]

What brand of pickups are they?

 

[Col_stone]

the technicals? toyota Hilux i believe

 

[Secesh]

25mm = 1:64
28mm = 1:58
30mm = 1:54

Both the tanks and figures are scaled at 1:65.

:shock:

 

[Col_stone]

25mm = 1:64
28mm = 1:58
30mm = 1:54

you gotta know what length 28mm etc is supposed to represent before you can put a scale to it..

 

[Secesh]

Dunno mate I just got it off a website. That guy reckons a 30mm wargame figure is 1:54 scale. Mongoose think 30mm is 1:65. I don't care whose right I just want to know what scale civilian model cars do I buy to go with my BF:EVO minis. Guess I'll wait until January.

 

[Col_stone]

There's a lot of hassle about the scales, i personally like 1/56, but i've never seen a 1/65 vehicle so...

 

[Helstrom]

Ah, wargaming scales...

Much of the confusion stems from exactly where you measure to. Some choose to measure "foot to eye" and others "foot to top of head". Both methods have their merits but it sucks when it's not made clear which is being used. Then there's the question of "how tall are these guys in the real?" which often leads to slightly silly discussions, because most model lines don't actually have short guys in them to skew the average.

Assuming 28mm in BF:Evo is to the top of the head, 1:65 is actually on the small side already - 1:60 would be better. If it's 28mm to eye level (making the model something like 30-32mm to the top of the head), then the scale should be more like 1:55. Goes to show what difference a few mm makes! And then we're not even talking about the 3-4mm or so from the base...

In general, I've found it's better to have vehicles a bit too large rather than a bit too small, to compensate for the vagaries of base height and perspective. Large vehicles will look bulky and impressive - small vehicles will look like toys.


The math: Take a good near-average Western male height like 1700mm, divide by your figure's height in mm, and you get your 1:XX scale. Like so:

1700/28=60,71 so scale around 1:60
1700/30=56,66 so scale around 1:55

This works in the reverse as well; divide your 1700 by the figure's scale and you get the height in mm of a figure on the table. Using Mongoose's 1/65 scale:

1700/65=26,15 so Mongoose vehicles would go really well with 25mm models...

 

[dyssnowman]

Interesting, except that if you read the preview flyer on BF: Evo it says that the minis are 30mm not 28mm.

 

[Mr Evil]

ok

here are some pics of some resign masters that didnt quite cut the grde on detail for mongoose. with SST minis next to them for scale comparison.

this is the challenger split down to its moulded parts

sorry pics arnt great, but i did them on my mobile a few mins ago, and i didnt wanna give to mush away for mongooses sakes

 

[MaxSteiner]

Woah, is Mongoose ok with you posting those pictures dude?
I think we really need an official word about the scale of these things, the techinicals seemed about the right size, but next to tanks like that they're gonna seem immenso-gargantua-trucks!

I suppose they could argue that the Evo stuff is small scale 28mm, so the SST figs next to that tank are like a space marine standing nextg to an old crow vehicle.... hmmm.

 

[Mr Evil]

its closer in scale to GZG 25mm figs but i didnt wanna put another manifaturers pic on here

 

[Col_stone]

Those were the "scrapped" masters tho?

 

[Col_stone]

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1-l.gif there stats for the abrams 5'6 not counting the turret

I suppose they could argue that the Evo stuff is small scale 28mm, so the SST figs next to that tank are like a space marine standing nextg to an old crow vehicle.... hmmm.

The, they are modelled to 1/65 bit makes me think so..

 

[weasel_fierce]

If they fit with GZG 25's and other "true 25mm", I'll be a happy camper indeed

 

[Mr Evil]

Those were the "scrapped" masters tho?

yup but there identical in dimensions from all that i can gather. differances are hatch sizes and the removing of bagage from rear of the M1.

but i still say just incase save your money guys till the product is released, if your thinking its true 28mm and its not your going to be very disapointed, may aswell put that money aside and get the proper minis, and not let you wallet get itch and burn holes in your pockets.

if you must spend your money, then just go preorder

 

[MaxSteiner]

:? Im really confused by this, been looking over the previous threads, and from what I can tell you were one of the more vocal proponants of the tanks being in scale MrEvil, am I getting the wrong end of the stick, or are you retracting that statement?

 

[Helstrom]

Interesting, except that if you read the preview flyer on BF: Evo it says that the minis are 30mm not 28mm.

Hadn't read that. In that case, 1/65 is even further off than I expected. It would make each person almost two meters tall - 1950mm to be exact, assuming the model is "true" 30mm and not "heroic" 32mm-ish, in which case the difference becomes even worse.

What a shame