Starship Troopers Evolution
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Bubba Ho-Tep
Mongoose
LMAOMac V said:
That's funny.
MaxSteiner said:Hehe, actually since I recently changed my favourite centaur model based purely on her boobs I don't really have much integraty to speak of :lol:
But seriosuly, check these beauties out!
Whats even worse is I don't even like centaurs...
Maybe painting prepaints isn't so bad after all
Well Gael is very good...(wish Mongoose would hire him). Crunch Waffle really do have a lovely line...
MaxSteiner said:
Just to clarify, I know this but as its a future conflict I find it likely Turkey will have joined. Particually if they join the Italians in the upcoming Gaza peacekeeping operations.
Aside from all that the powers that be should make a Battlefield Evo forum. That way I can haul my overly-pedantic media ass that way and leave all you SST people to contemplate the joy of finally getting Sprite Skimmer bikes..... :wink:
Sgt. Brassones
Mongoose
Hiromoon said:
Good lord, purple zebra stripe camo? What were they thinking?
Bubba Ho-Tep
Mongoose
Now they just need to use Spandex.
xeoran said:
Don't forget about the possibility of a cargo plane inbound from N. Korea taking only one day. BTW, did you know that Iranian "observers" were in N. Korea last July 4th when N. Korea tested their missiles? I just hope that life imitates art and the world keeps any military "play" in a conventional framework like BF:Evo (TacNukes in a skirmish game other than SST = endgame).
Hello there ,
The reason i got back into wargaming sci-fi , is GOMC1 and SsT . The fact that i have to paint the models is all part of the game and hobby . Nothing annoys me more than somebody buys the badass gang/alien/marine , dips it into a pot of paint gives it a shake and 'Voila' painted mini , no care taken just get it on the table asap .
My personal opinion of pre paints is that they are a great way of bolstering your forces....and i dont know about you guys painting all those arachnids actually did my head in . So big ups for hordes of pre painted bugs .
However i like to paint , i like to do a special job on a special figure . Surely if there will be no new releases of metal models , wo'nt that kill the game for us die hard figure painters , i am sorry to say it but.....THIS IS INSTANT GRATIFICATION , dumbing it down for all those who are too lazy to pick up a brush and do something .
Is mongoose going to go all kiddy-fied like the E.E- i truly hope not.
The BIG announcement , more like the biggest spade to dig the biggest hole.
john
The reason i got back into wargaming sci-fi , is GOMC1 and SsT . The fact that i have to paint the models is all part of the game and hobby . Nothing annoys me more than somebody buys the badass gang/alien/marine , dips it into a pot of paint gives it a shake and 'Voila' painted mini , no care taken just get it on the table asap .
My personal opinion of pre paints is that they are a great way of bolstering your forces....and i dont know about you guys painting all those arachnids actually did my head in . So big ups for hordes of pre painted bugs .
However i like to paint , i like to do a special job on a special figure . Surely if there will be no new releases of metal models , wo'nt that kill the game for us die hard figure painters , i am sorry to say it but.....THIS IS INSTANT GRATIFICATION , dumbing it down for all those who are too lazy to pick up a brush and do something .
Is mongoose going to go all kiddy-fied like the E.E- i truly hope not.
The BIG announcement , more like the biggest spade to dig the biggest hole.
john
JoseDominguez
Mongoose
too lazy to pick up a brush?
Who in the hell decided that you had to be able to enjoy painting to wargame?
It's that attitude that keeps wargaming firmly in the field of 'something you hide from women'.
I love painting, and to be honest, I'd rather spend my time on cool individual models for my shelf than hordes of wargaming minis.
I've got urban war and confrontation for my painting fix (also GOMC-1) where I can spend time on models.
This is going to bring more people into wargaming. In fact, I'd go as far as to say this is the equivalent of Sony turning the playstation (and other consoles) into an acceptable pass time for the masses.
More players, more stockists, better availability, faster production etc..
YOu like painting and hate players who spend no time on their models? Well now they have the option of bringing nicely finished models instead of dipped and flocked crap don't they?
Who in the hell decided that you had to be able to enjoy painting to wargame?
It's that attitude that keeps wargaming firmly in the field of 'something you hide from women'.
I love painting, and to be honest, I'd rather spend my time on cool individual models for my shelf than hordes of wargaming minis.
I've got urban war and confrontation for my painting fix (also GOMC-1) where I can spend time on models.
This is going to bring more people into wargaming. In fact, I'd go as far as to say this is the equivalent of Sony turning the playstation (and other consoles) into an acceptable pass time for the masses.
More players, more stockists, better availability, faster production etc..
YOu like painting and hate players who spend no time on their models? Well now they have the option of bringing nicely finished models instead of dipped and flocked crap don't they?
JoseDominguez said:
Heh, or for those that remember it - being able to buy your computer games on tape instead of typing them in out of a magazine listing
It is true that wargaming has been almost an exclusive hobby for the "creative elite" who have the ability to put decent models together - driving away huge numbers of potential customers who don't want to spend all that money on figures just to have their awful paint job laughed at. I don't see its any different to paying people to paint your minis for you (other than being considerably cheaper). I'm glad that we'll be seeing new players, and I'm glad that I can have some Mongoose games to play while I finish painting my LotR minis over the next year or so.
Hello There
Call me an old fashioned git but......half the enjoyment of wargaming (in general) is painting up a force of soldiers and vehicles , be it sci-fi/fantasy or historical-no matter how good or bad the person is at painting . Then fielding that army . For me its a pride thing , not only in how i play the game , but when some-one says wow those are great figures it makes me feel good as well .
We have a rule at our games club no unpainted figures on the table . It really does'nt matter how good or badly painted they are , just that you have attempted to paint them . I dont consider figures that are primed to be acceptable either (being used on the table) .
the quote "something you hide from women" , c'mon mate get real , the majority of women that i know consider wargaming to be a "boy" thing anyway , and the majority of women that i know are battle re-enactors , wargaming on a much larger scale .
This may well bring the "masses" into wargaming and make it a acceptable pastime , but in my opinion and we are all allowed one . Will make for a lazier gamer .
Jose , i dont mean to sound rude or arrogant and this is not a personal attack on you as an individual or as a fellow gamer , but you seem to be a rabid fanboy whom inflames very very easily . please dont take this as a "attitude" by an up his own bum player-as i am not .
john
Call me an old fashioned git but......half the enjoyment of wargaming (in general) is painting up a force of soldiers and vehicles , be it sci-fi/fantasy or historical-no matter how good or bad the person is at painting . Then fielding that army . For me its a pride thing , not only in how i play the game , but when some-one says wow those are great figures it makes me feel good as well .
We have a rule at our games club no unpainted figures on the table . It really does'nt matter how good or badly painted they are , just that you have attempted to paint them . I dont consider figures that are primed to be acceptable either (being used on the table) .
the quote "something you hide from women" , c'mon mate get real , the majority of women that i know consider wargaming to be a "boy" thing anyway , and the majority of women that i know are battle re-enactors , wargaming on a much larger scale .
This may well bring the "masses" into wargaming and make it a acceptable pastime , but in my opinion and we are all allowed one . Will make for a lazier gamer .
Jose , i dont mean to sound rude or arrogant and this is not a personal attack on you as an individual or as a fellow gamer , but you seem to be a rabid fanboy whom inflames very very easily . please dont take this as a "attitude" by an up his own bum player-as i am not .
john
Greg Smith
Mongoose
mthomason said:Heh, or for those that remember it - being able to buy your computer games on tape instead of typing them in out of a magazine listing
I liked typing them out of a magazine listing. I learned to program in BASIC from those.
[sarcasm] Typing programs in is half the fun. I'll never use programs on tape. Will I still be able to get magazine listings? [/sarcasm]
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
I gotta agree really, it's only the painting aspect of wargaming that lends it any kind of credibility, I always tell girls I paint if they ask, until Im sure they're ready to know the truth 
If you take away the paitning you are playing with little men, if those little men come prepainted and have moveable arms and legs they are action figures (hell thats more posability than some of the ones I had as a kid!).
I'm sorry if people don't like the truth, it might well be easier and all the rest but its removing at least half of the hobby, how are you meant to make playing with toy soldiers without the painting aspect sound cool :?:
I don't care so much mind since I'll be painting other stuff anyway, but it means newer players aren't going to have any incentive to hone a creative skill as part of the hobby, they're just gonna buy the stuff and play, its the end of an era which is kind of sad isn't it?
Besides everyone knows that computer games were better back then!
If you take away the paitning you are playing with little men, if those little men come prepainted and have moveable arms and legs they are action figures (hell thats more posability than some of the ones I had as a kid!).
I'm sorry if people don't like the truth, it might well be easier and all the rest but its removing at least half of the hobby, how are you meant to make playing with toy soldiers without the painting aspect sound cool :?:
I don't care so much mind since I'll be painting other stuff anyway, but it means newer players aren't going to have any incentive to hone a creative skill as part of the hobby, they're just gonna buy the stuff and play, its the end of an era which is kind of sad isn't it?
Besides everyone knows that computer games were better back then!
Hello greg
lovely use of sarcasm there i must say , but programming pages and pages of code to watch a dot move from the top of the screen to the bottom ,is a totally different thing from actually creating a miniature work of art .
All i am arguing is , its great that mongoose is releasing pre paints but what about those of us who like to paint metal miniatures . And that anything worth doing is worth doing well , its just the instant gratification thing that i dont like .
Lets look at Airfix the great british boys pastime of the 60's and 70's , sure the models were tough to make , but that was half the challenge .
The company dumbed down the models , for the instant fix and now a great piece of english history has gone down the pan.
Lets look at the E.E , their games have been dumbed down , and how many people on this site (including myself) have had a go .
john
lovely use of sarcasm there i must say , but programming pages and pages of code to watch a dot move from the top of the screen to the bottom ,is a totally different thing from actually creating a miniature work of art .
All i am arguing is , its great that mongoose is releasing pre paints but what about those of us who like to paint metal miniatures . And that anything worth doing is worth doing well , its just the instant gratification thing that i dont like .
Lets look at Airfix the great british boys pastime of the 60's and 70's , sure the models were tough to make , but that was half the challenge .
The company dumbed down the models , for the instant fix and now a great piece of english history has gone down the pan.
Lets look at the E.E , their games have been dumbed down , and how many people on this site (including myself) have had a go .
john
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
I don't know I think Greg just kinda made a point I hadn't thought of for our side.
If you look at the computing market back before cassete pretty much every user knew how to program, things moved quickly because everybody was wrakcing their brain trying to think up new ways of doing things, it was a golden age!
Gradually after the adoption of cassete people stopped bothering to learn, the focus of gaming moved away from single users cranking out awesome games like Tanks or Space invaders towards bigger software companies releasing crap like Hudson Hawek the computer game, until we get to today, where every single game is a carbon copy of the first cranked out by about three big software houses, and nobody has a freaking clue how their computer works!
Thanks Greg, now I'm even more scared then I was about the repurcusions!
If you look at the computing market back before cassete pretty much every user knew how to program, things moved quickly because everybody was wrakcing their brain trying to think up new ways of doing things, it was a golden age!
Gradually after the adoption of cassete people stopped bothering to learn, the focus of gaming moved away from single users cranking out awesome games like Tanks or Space invaders towards bigger software companies releasing crap like Hudson Hawek the computer game, until we get to today, where every single game is a carbon copy of the first cranked out by about three big software houses, and nobody has a freaking clue how their computer works!
Thanks Greg, now I'm even more scared then I was about the repurcusions!
Hello Max Steiner ,
Well said , My own girlfriend asked what i like to do as a hobby (she is a american civil war re-enactor) i told her i painted , then much later i told the whole horrible truth-absolutely cool about it.
So when big blubber or arse-enders is on i go paint , no sarcasm from me about the queer vic pub or the weirdo's on big blubber and i get no hassles from her-everyones happy.
john
Well said , My own girlfriend asked what i like to do as a hobby (she is a american civil war re-enactor) i told her i painted , then much later i told the whole horrible truth-absolutely cool about it.
So when big blubber or arse-enders is on i go paint , no sarcasm from me about the queer vic pub or the weirdo's on big blubber and i get no hassles from her-everyones happy.
john
when i'll be able to create a miniature work of art i'll let everyone know. that's one of the main reasons why i find painting so off-putting->the fact that whenever i paint something up, i'm happy about it for some 5 minutes. after that, i'll start seeing how bad it is compared to other player's minis, let alone those shown in say, WD or on some websites. t
here is nothing more frustrating then painting some damn mini for 10h, and thinking "wow, that's lame" afterwards. i don't belive that "its the effort that counts"-if the effect is sub-par, then the effort put was needless.
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
I don't really understand how anyone can be so anti painting to be honest.
It strikes me that these are also the same sort of poeple which never bothered to learn to play a musical instrument, or tried learning a secound language (Or a third or a fourth etc), try sculpting the list goes on.
I might be wrong, and I hope I am because otherwise the only reason they'd be so pissed of is because of a feeling of inadaquacy... To those people try and understand its not elitism, its just how in the hell are you gonna be able to appreciate a technique if you have no idea how its done?
It strikes me that these are also the same sort of poeple which never bothered to learn to play a musical instrument, or tried learning a secound language (Or a third or a fourth etc), try sculpting the list goes on.
I might be wrong, and I hope I am because otherwise the only reason they'd be so pissed of is because of a feeling of inadaquacy... To those people try and understand its not elitism, its just how in the hell are you gonna be able to appreciate a technique if you have no idea how its done?
