***SPOILERS*** Last episode of BSG ***SPOILERS***

[cordas]

Just found this interview with Ron Moore (the writer / creative genius) it has some very intresting stuff in it, some of could definatly be seen as spoilers for next season (if he isn't messing with our heads) so if you don't want to run the risk of spoilers of season 4 then don't read it.

I have however taken out and quoted here a couple of snippets that aren't spoilers but good news

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm

R: Where do the plans stand for a direct-to-DVD movie that flashes back to tell more of the story of the Pegasus and Admiral Cain (Michelle Forbes)?

RM: It's really just a couple of extra episodes for the fourth season that will air earlier than the rest of the season, sometime in the fall. They'll come out on DVD the next day.

COOL!!!!!!!

R: Where does "Caprica" stand? Sci Fi Channel was supposed to make a decision about it this month.

RM: It's now back in development. They're not picking it up as a pilot at the moment. They might want to pick it up as a movie or as a DVD release. No one is saying it's over, but we're also not going forward at this moment. Right now it's on the back burner.

Hmmmm if they can pick up SG Atlantis surely they can pick up Caprica... SGA is utter garbage (in my opinion, remember opinions do vary from one person to another)....

R: So have you started to formulate an endgame? Last week, Sci Fi Channel announced season four will be 22 hours. Will that be it?

RM: We have to know at some point. We're scripting the beginning of season four. I know how many chapters are left in the series and it will come up in this fourth season kind of quickly where we'll have to decide whether this is the last season. The network has made it clear they will take their cues from us if we say we're ready to end the show. [Executive producer] David [Eick] and I have conversations about that and we're pretty close to a decision.

R: And you'll have to decide long before the show returns for the fourth season next year, right?

RM: The decision has nothing to do with next year's ratings. It's first and foremost a creative decision. ... I have two chapters left in my head and I can see those being of different lengths. ... The question of how many episodes is the best route to get there and deciding how much do we want to go out now and end strong and how much do we want to try to extend it because we all love it and go for another year. It's an emotional/creative conversation that David and I have almost daily as we muddle through it all

R: So this won't be "Farscape" where the series ends on a cliffhanger?

RM: It's very important to me not to do that. It's something we've talked about all along. We want to go out on our own terms and decide when our story ends. We wouldn't want to be in a situation where the story is not completed in the way we want to. ...

Thats about all the juicy non-spoiler stuff in the interview....

 

[emperorpenguin]

I dont think those 5 are cylons, I think it's a Red Herring.

Looks like they are Cylons according to Moore

R: Are these four all full Cylons?

RM: Yes, but they are different fundamentally.

 

[PlayWithBob]

/Ramble

The corperation that created the pilons was owned by the Adamas...

Thats taken from the fluff from the Caprica information that was posted a year ago on Scifi.com

Which means that Bill Adamad father *could* have created some or all of the 5 as the prototypes. They are fundamentaly different from the other 7 according to Moore. So why not create a guardian for his son Bill?

As for the song, I had a thought, what if our version in 1969 was a rerecording of a folk song that had been lost to racial memory from our own past.

We dont' know when in time the show is taking place, we *could* assume that there are no people on earth yet. Or if the 13th tribe did make it to earth 5000 years ago what to say they are still there?

The way I see it is Here and Eathen (the 2 psilon babys) are Adam and Eve and the current batch of humans and psilons are the shared titans and gods of earths prehistory.

/End Ramble

 

[emperorpenguin]

I think that rather than the 13th tribe having left for Earth they came from there instead. How else do they know the name "Earth"?

I think that this is the future of humanity and not the past. Possible?

 

[cordas]

I think that rather than the 13th tribe having left for Earth they came from there instead. How else do they know the name "Earth"?

I think that this is the future of humanity and not the past. Possible?

If you follow the wheel of time then its cyclical, its all happened before. Maybe when the humans / Cylons reach Earth everyone has a big party and they rename the planet Kobol.

Then at some later point the original earthers get sick of these uninvited guests who just won't leave, and insist on staying up all night argueing and ordering pizza but never paying for it.....

So the Original Earthers decide to upsticks and set off to find a new Earth....

The other 12 tribes stay on Kobol, but realise now that the OEs have left that there is no one to pay the electric bill (hence the cylons die as they can't recharge)...... So the 12 tribes leave Kobol a used up wreck and go to find a new home (they remember that the OEs would probably shoot on sight after they puked in the goldfish bowl so decide to head off in the opposite direction)

The OEs feel a bit guilty about leaving the others behind so leave some clues as too where they have gone to find new earth. When they get to NE (now just Earth) they remember what a bunch of gits the 12 colonies and the cylons where so decide to become luddites and destroy their technology and go to live in caves and using spears (and fighting Evo style )

Now the 12 tribes have set up their new colonies and being the lazy gits they are realise they will have to work for themselves.... they don't like this..... then some one remembers they once had these shinny toasters that could do everything for them.......

See the whole cycle continues forever......

 

[cordas]

Which means that Bill Adamad father *could* have created some or all of the 5 as the prototypes. They are fundamentaly different from the other 7 according to Moore. So why not create a guardian for his son Bill?

Was this before or after Joe had a distingusihed legal career, and wrote all those books :lol:?

 

[CharlieMonster]

Baker has confirmed that Tigh, Tory, Sam & Tyrol are all toasters. I don't know if he mentioned KT, but she did appear to go boom! and then turns up again which is a pretty good sign. What interests me is why they were isolated in the first place and why do they not appear to have duplicates.

Tighe being a Cylon doesn't have to stop him being Tighe, I just think it'll give him more head-frack to play with.

I don't think Roslyn is a toaster, because we know they don't have antigens (which is the woolly pseudo-science they used to cure her) and that would have shown up in her bloodwork once Cottle knew what he was looking for.

What interests me is Hera's shared dream scenes, suggesting she is perhaps some kind of Teep, and as someone else mentioned assuming Cally hasn't been doin' the horizontal mamba with anybody else, it means Nicky is a Hybrid too. Get those kids together and you have a whole new race, how mythological is that?

Of course the biggest worry, with Earth in sight, is: will they mump it up as badly as Galactica 80? I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt a 'cos they've done a pretty good job to date. And 'cos I don't think anybody could.

The other biggest problem is waiting nearly a year for Season 4 (broken only by the Battlestar Pegasus TV Movie). Rome has finished too as well

But not to worry because Who is back on Saturday, yay!

 

[CharlieMonster]

I would say more arabic than mediterranian, but either way I loved that song.

What are the Hendrix and Dylan versions called? It will give me something to listen too untill the sound track for the series comes out.

The Hendrix Version of "All Along the Watchtower" is on "Electric Ladyland" and it rocks. Wikipedia has a huge list of every cover produced to date.

 

[CharlieMonster]

R: Where does "Caprica" stand? Sci Fi Channel was supposed to make a decision about it this month.

RM: It's now back in development. They're not picking it up as a pilot at the moment. They might want to pick it up as a movie or as a DVD release. No one is saying it's over, but we're also not going forward at this moment. Right now it's on the back burner.

I'm guessing Sci Fi are uneasy about the proposed format for Caprica, which if I remember from the fluff was described by the writers as "more soap opera than sci fi", centring on what sounded a pretty Dallas-like family feud between the Adamas and another family whose name escapes me. The morality of the creation of the Cylons is there as an underlying theme, given it is set during there inception.

 

[Razuur]

Baker has confirmed that Tigh, Tory, Sam & Tyrol are all toasters.

"Cylons" yes. Toasters? I don't think so. I don't think they are cylons like Sharon and Six. Ron said they are "fundamentally different."

Plus they are connected to that temple that was built thousands of years before the "toasters."

My theory: The human model "cylons" are affspring to a merging of whatever the final five cyclons are and the cybernetic AIs we call toasters. When the human cylons mate with humanity, we are getting yet another merging... kind of a reunification thing going on.

Razuur

 

[cordas]

All I can say is that there are spoilers out there on this issue.... Could people please try avoidsing giving these away as So and So has said such and such as it could spoil season 4 for those who want to watch it without spoilers.

This spread just has spoilers in it for season 3 :twisted:

 

[cordas]

Baker has confirmed that Tigh, Tory, Sam & Tyrol are all toasters.

"Cylons" yes. Toasters? I don't think so. I don't think they are cylons like Sharon and Six. Ron said they are "fundamentally different."

Plus they are connected to that temple that was built thousands of years before the "toasters."

My theory: The human model "cylons" are affspring to a merging of whatever the final five cyclons are and the cybernetic AIs we call toasters. When the human cylons mate with humanity, we are getting yet another merging... kind of a reunification thing going on.

Razuur

With your theory Nikky is different to Hera (unless Helo is the 5th missing Cylon).

Personally I am still of the opinion there is a 13th Clyon out there.... As there are 12 tribes and then a seperate 13th..... So there are 12 Cylon models and a seperate 13th.... but then I just like simatry which is an odd thing to say about the number 13.

 

[PlayWithBob]

Which means that Bill Adamad father *could* have created some or all of the 5 as the prototypes. They are fundamentaly different from the other 7 according to Moore. So why not create a guardian for his son Bill?

Was this before or after Joe had a distingusihed legal career, and wrote all those books :lol:?

well perhaps Bills grandpa then.

 

[Lane Shutt]

IMHO the cyclic nature of their mythology explains the Five.

There have been hybrids before. This means much of the population could have a bit of Cylon in them. The Five are simply the result of many recessive genes coming together to produce a copy of the original. The widespread genetic influence could also be the cause of the Cylon creation. Maybe a racial memory of what should be.

IMHO Starbuck is the fifth Cylon, no the President.
Starbuck died, unless the toasters have some sort of teleporter never revealed before.
Starbuck had premonitions of the Eye Of Jupiter hinting at a racial memory.
Roslyn became dizzy when they jumped to the new area, the four shut down.
IIRC Roslyn did not hear the Music either.
Her presence in the shared dream could be due to the blood transfusion from Hera, and maybe the Camala root extract she is taking. Here presence is probably what Six thought was impossible.



At the end they show a glimpse of earth, with what looked like North America covered in ice. If the 13th tribe arrived 5000 (?) years before it explains the spread of humans over the globe during the last Ice Age. It would also be a good time for the city of Atlantis to be founded, by the survivors of the 12 Colonies.

Someone mentioned the 13th tribe knew the name earth suggesting the inhabitants of Kobol came from earth. I disagree, whatever planet the decided was their destination would become Earth. OTOH Kobol could have been founded by colonists from Earth which then passed into myth itself.

As the cycle continues another Kobol, by whatever name, may be founded long after the earth becomes uninhabitable. In turn it will spawn 12 colonies and a 13th tribe who goes looking for the mythical Earth.

 

[The Legend]

Well I'm a bit disappointed that they've taken so many of the main cast and made them Cylons. Not what I was expecting. Before I read the interview thing that Cordas quoted I was under the impression that they were Prophets and had been touched by destiny like Starbuck. But nevermind. Roll on Season 4 and the destruction of the Fleet!!!!!!

5 Basestars man!!!!!!1 :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: