***SPOILERS*** Last episode of BSG ***SPOILERS***

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cordas

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As noted in the topic title this thread will contain spoilers for the last episode of season 3 BSG. I do mean the last episode that has just been shown in the US, and not the mid season cliff hanger which involves a temple that has already been shown in the UK.

So if you don't want to know don't read any further!!!!!!!!!
 
ok I don't get how Col Tigh can be a cylon. Adama has known him for 30 years, he fought in the first war against the "toasters"

Also I know it is tv and doesn't obey the laws of probability etc but ALL 12 models are somehow represented in the fleet?
 
I really loved how the cylon reveal was done, I WANT that bit of music as I just think it was great and can't get it out of my head :shock: does that mean I am the 5 cylon......

It does leave 3 huge questions....

1. Chief is a father..... so is there a 2nd cylon child.... or did Kelly cheat on him....

2. Tigh... fought in 2 cylon wars as he said in the episode.... HOW??? The 1st war was before the creation of hybrids as far as we are aware? Does this mean they kidnapped the original Tigh downloaded his brain into a lookie likey... if so what happened to the original Saul.

Or even more intrestingly (i think) was Saul always a cylon, if so HOW??? Does this mean the Human cylons are older than the "original" toasters? They have hinted that this whole thing has happened before (sort of like Robert Jordans Wheel of Time novels) so are the Human Cylons from a previous go round of the wheel?

3. Who is the 5th Cylon? The obvious answers are Starbuck and Baltar, Baltar is to obvious and easil dissmissed, Starbuck is a bit more intresting but again to obvious.... Saul being a cylon also opens up just about anyone else in the fleet as well...... Also remember that in season 1 Roselyn was told Adama was a Cylon....

As for the other 2 Cylons, Sam... well too me he sort of rules out Starbuck... and the cold wifey, she is a traitor, but I have thought that ever since she relaced Billy (dunno she just reminds me of my ex too much for some reason).

As for the trial it was obvious to me, I loved the speech the Lee gave, I just wish they could have been far more direct in giving it. Maybe had him not "betray" Roselyn, and turn his back on Giaus (after a little heart to heart about what he had done since the war). Then have him called as a hostile witness by the defence and then used his grandfather against him to make him give the speech. I knew that Adama was 1 of the Captains who said Giaus was innocent.

Oh and the twsit at the end.... I never believed Starbuck was out of the series.... so it wasn't much of a twist to have her show up, but still brilliantly handeled I thought. Can't wait to see what happened to her, and what is now going to happen with her and the Cylons and the fleet. Yes its a predictable series cliff hanger that the Cylons catch up with the fleet, but anyone who didn't think it was going to happen is just barking up the wrong tree..... Its been obvious for at least half a dozen episodes.
 
emperorpenguin said:
ok I don't get how Col Tigh can be a cylon. Adama has known him for 30 years, he fought in the first war against the "toasters"

Also I know it is tv and doesn't obey the laws of probability etc but ALL 12 models are somehow represented in the fleet?
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I ain't sure EP, but I have confidence in the writers that they aren't going to write this off in a shower scene or just do a trek / starwars and ignore huge story plot stuff for a quick 3min scene.

I know there is something dubious about 11 cylon models being in the fleet (they haven't yet shown the 12th unless you think its Hera, in which case Tyrols baby becomes 13....), but there is the whole issue of how it just so happened that not only are 11 cylons in or with the fleet, actually not all have been in the fleet I think, I know the Doctor (Simon) hasn't been shown in the fleet (YET).

There is also how did they make sure that Roselyn, Starbuck, Giaus (and the rest) all ended up in the fleet.

Then there is how did the fleet just happen to come across one tiny little bouy in the middel of "space", how did the Earthers know to build the temple at that planet, how did they manage to time the sun going supernova at just the right time and a hundred and one other things.

I think this is all tied into the Cylon god (or devil if they bring him back from the original series) somehow, and I really like the whole Wheel of Time thing (this has all happened before many many times) and somehow the universe is working itself out by repeating this and each time it is slightly different. I also think that Saul (and maybe the other 3 "new" cylons) are much older than the 1st cylon war.....

As I said before I have enough confidence in the script writers to trust them, in the same way I trusted JMS with B5....
 
another thing to note is in the pilot we see Caprica 6 leave Baltar to meet someone. We don't see who but she says "I wondered when you'd show up"
Now we know that Roslin was present in the area because she saw the two of them........
Could Roslin be number 12? Again she was predicted to lead in the books which say this all happened before......
 
emperorpenguin said:
Could Roslin be number 12? Again she was predicted to lead in the books which say this all happened before......
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She could be, she is one of my teir 2 bets ;) Likely but not too liekly and has lots of intresting story potential, but I think she is better served as a human *GRIN*

P.S. it would also be really unfair if all leading female characters in the show are cylons.....
 
emperorpenguin said:
I also really like Tigh, I think he's a great character, don't want to see him as a cylon!
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Yeah I get that feeling, he is one of my faves as well (along with Roselyn) but I can see so much grief going his way over this and I am looking forward to it :twisted:
 
cordas said:
emperorpenguin said:
I also really like Tigh, I think he's a great character, don't want to see him as a cylon!
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Yeah I get that feeling, he is one of my faves as well (along with Roselyn) but I can see so much grief going his way over this and I am looking forward to it :twisted:
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do you think the Cylons wrote a program for "alcoholic"? :lol:
 
What people are dismissing is another possibility, that the ones picked are not cylons, but are the profits that were present in the original series. The chief always has had that sort of spiritual connections, and the others had their various crises of faith that they worked/struggled through.

They think they are cylons because that is the only point of reference they have, and can not really understand another possiblity, but they could also be sharing a more spiritual connection.
 
LaranosTZ said:
What people are dismissing is another possibility, that the ones picked are not cylons, but are the profits that were present in the original series. The chief always has had that sort of spiritual connections, and the others had their various crises of faith that they worked/struggled through.

They think they are cylons because that is the only point of reference they have, and can not really understand another possiblity, but they could also be sharing a more spiritual connection.
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Good call, I hadn't considered that..... More things to think about :)

EP there has also been mention of human spirituality.... and it has in the past played an important roll, so maybe they are just balancing the books.

Mind you I don't trust that shifty woman, reminds me too much of my ex and I am sure she was a cylon, she certainly wasn't human :roll:
 
I dont think those 5 are cylons, I think it's a Red Herring. If anyone remembers the original TV series. There were actually 4 sets of protagonists, that appeared in the show. The Colonials, Cylons and two ancient races. One of these beings appeared as a fallen angel, played by Patrick McNee. The others beings, were a kind of divine race who would appear briefly to help the main good guys.

In fact (IIRC), Starbuck dies in one episode, and these divine beings whick him away. Along with Apollo, and some other crew member (Athena?). Anyway, while on this Divine craft, everyones gear appears as a bleached pale version of its real world self. I think the guns were white, and would not function.

Starbuck is ressurected, and the beings offer some in navigating back to Earth.

I think these same beings, are the ones who have been subtly pointing the Colonials back to Earth, and this 'music' was possibly some sort of epithany or divine signal.

As for the 5, well I think they still have to show their face and I think its more than likey going to have Laura Roselyn there (since she can share a projection).

@ Cordas I just wonder what a classic Jimmy Hendrix song is doing in the Colonial fleet :P
 
This version of the song isn't the Hendrix version, and Hendrix got the song from Bob Dylan. They wrote and recorded this new version specially for BSG.

The director said the style of the song is supposed to be as though an musician from one of the 12 colonies just happens to write his own version of the song with the same lyrics, pulling from the same ethereal influence that Bob Dylan and later Jimmi Hendrix did. It's supposed to be a connection between Earth and the 12 Colonies, and will probably be elaborated on in the upcoming season.

I actually like this version a lot more than either two. I definitely like the mediterranian overtones to the song. I've actually gone back and rewatched the last parts of the episode to hear it again.
 
I would say more arabic than mediterranian, but either way I loved that song.

What are the Hendrix and Dylan versions called? It will give me something to listen too untill the sound track for the series comes out.
 
Reaverman said:
The Colonials, Cylons and two ancient races. One of these beings appeared as a fallen angel, played by Patrick McNee. The others beings, were a kind of divine race who would appear briefly to help the main good guys.
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I could see that being worked into the "Wheel of Time" stroy line, and rather than having Ancients (ala B5) or Supernatural beings whether Demonic or Devine you could have it that the arguement was not decided in the previous go round, and that "watchers" where left behind to make sure the wheel could keep turning.

Anyway I am eagerly looking forwar to season 4 too see what happenes next.
 
cordas said:
I would say more arabic than mediterranian, but either way I loved that song.

What are the Hendrix and Dylan versions called? It will give me something to listen too until the sound track for the series comes out.
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The Dylan version is off the 'Les Indispensables' album, but it's more of an acoustic version of the Hendrix release.....but still good nonetheless.
 
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