spetsnaz info and Desperate Mini HELP needed

JuanGonzalez said:
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I'm sure you can get these in the UK somewhere. They're built Painted and inexpensive.
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Copy and paste into your browser's nav bar. I've bought many items from Diecast Direct and can recommend them but they are in the US so shipping costs may be an issue.
 
yes the hlbs are 1/48 so you would have to stick mostly to their range, and though they got some pretty good stuff they dont have any chinese currently.

Also the xm8 of their future Force Warrior has been cancled.

Concerning vehicles, you can get some plastic model kits of tanks and IFV in that scale, some even with simple remote controled motors.

But 1/48 is mostly used for helis and planes.

As far as Spetznaz/Oznaz go, thats a very broad term (you probably got that already from wiki)

A good site about modern russian military structure is:

http://www.warfare.ru/

You might also want to read up on the chechen conflict (especialy the secand one), as that one demonstartes modern russian military doctrine and equipment, especialy the equipment employed by the MVDs internal troops.

Here are some pictures from that conflict:
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Russian_Chechnyan_conflict
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/abbyy

And another site with good pics (use the links below the pics to navigate the albums):
http://bratishka.ru/album.php
 
a direct translation of spetsnaz is special purpose forces,

Spetsnaz can refer to any élite or special purpose units controlled by the Federal Security Service (FSB) with counter-terrorist and anti-sabotage tasks, Ministry of Interior (police) MVD, and the army special forces controlled by the military intelligence service GRU. Nowadays, the term is used as well to describe any special purpose units or task forces of other ministries (even the Emergency Situations Ministry special rescue unit).

i'm sure someone said it already, but i think it can take being repeated, most people i know think ALL spetsnaz are the same;)
 
a direct translation of spetsnaz is special purpose forces,

Spetsnaz can refer to any élite or special purpose units controlled by the Federal Security Service (FSB) with counter-terrorist and anti-sabotage tasks, Ministry of Interior (police) MVD, and the army special forces controlled by the military intelligence service GRU. Nowadays, the term is used as well to describe any special purpose units or task forces of other ministries (even the Emergency Situations Ministry special rescue unit).

i'm sure someone said it already, but i think it can take being repeated, most people i know think ALL spetsnaz are the same;)
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Even within 1 type of Spetsnaz, there are different specialities, they are not the 'all round' special forces as we think of the term in the west. Take the airborne Spetsnaz, the desantniki, they have razvedchiki(scouts), similiar to US Army LRRP teams, raydoviki(raiders), like the US Rangers, and vysotniki which are probably closest to the elite special forces troops found in western armies. The difference comes in because of the Russian reliance on conscription, it's easier to train a specialist in one field, than an 'all-rounder' in several fields, in the time they have. Vysotniki are officers and senior nco's that have re-enlisted, and are given a lot more training.
 
Well as you compared the russian types to the US counterparts you have already shown that even western special forces are highly specialised in different fields.
And I guess that holds true for every nations military. (SBS/SAS in the UK, KSK, Kampfschwimmer in Germany)

So Spetznaz/Osnaz is just the same catch all term we also use for special forces in the west.
 
Well as you compared the russian types to the US counterparts you have already shown that even western special forces are highly specialised in different fields.
And I guess that holds true for every nations military. (SBS/SAS in the UK, KSK, Kampfschwimmer in Germany)

So Spetznaz/Osnaz is just the same catch all term we also use for special forces in the west.
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Sort of, but it's more than that, you could have a small unit of desantniki being put together for 1 op that had 2-3 razvedchiki, 3-4 vysotniki and 8-10 raydoviki. The names refer to the type of training they receive rather than the type of unit they belong to.

Independant Spetsnaz companies seem to operate as 15 teams of 6-7 men, with an HQ and signals platoon, usually together on one mission. Equipment and weapons would vary considerably, depending on the mission.

There were also indications from Afghanistan that some of the Long-range recce coys were Spetsnaz, especially the airborne recce.

HQ section - 1 x officer, 2 x men (AK rifles).
5 x Recce teams - 1 x officer (AK)
5 x men (AK)

They are described as being 'lightly armed', but may have access to saw's, rpg's and svd sniper rifles.

Usually inserted by heli or parachute if airborne and very wide-ranging, or by motorbike's and/or sidecar's, or by GAZ 'jeeps'.

Hope this helps and doesn't confuse even more!
 
I'm doing some mining online to find more information for Russian stuff (becuase I'm not wasting money on something that would cost me some cash). I got some leads so stay tuned.
 
Actually if you want the best, Rick, you gotta go with Janes, and they're asking over 1000 British Pounds for their information.


Lucky, I found this at GlobalSecurity.org :
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1/60th is true 25mm.(from sole of boot to top of head) 28-30 mm is about 1/55 pr 1/56th using the same scaling system.

1/48th is 35mm. 1/48th vehicles look decent next to 28 and 30mm infantry for 2 reasons.

1) most 28 and 30mm figures use the sole-to-eye comparison, which is stupid. If I'm 6'2 measured from sole to top of head. a 1/56th version of me would mea measured the same way. if it's measured to the eyes instead, hten it's not 1/56th. so that means that most 28mm fgures are actaully not 28, they are 30mm, or sometimes even larger.

2) Most people base their skirmish miniatures either on "slotta" bases or washers. this usually adds another 2mm for washers, or 3mm for SLotta bases.

Combine both of these facts and suddenly you have a model that is 35-36mm tall and "looks" right with 1/48th vehicles.

Steve
 
Thanks for that, Hiro, very valuable. Problem I have is that I have an absolutely essential book called "Weapons and Tactics of the Soviet Army", the depth it goes into is pretty incredible, but it was published in 1988 by Janes (cost me 50p in a library book sale!). These days it still has some use for reference, but I need to check it against other sources to make sure the organisation hasn't changed. The Russian Army is better than most other armies in that it's org hasn't changed a whole lot since the 80's.

And now, thanks to crucible orc, I can stop worrying about fielding 1/48th vehicles with my figs, rather than trying to find 1/56th or 1/64th or so. Yay. :lol:

Btw, if anyone sees a 1/48th ADI Bushmaster model on the net, please send me the link, I need 4 and may have to convert some if I can't find them elsewhere. Ta. :?
 
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