Space Station construction - no weight for hull/struct??

[Nerhesi]

Hey guys,

Just need a sanity check here. I'm constructing a space-station for my next campaign and I can't find any default hull/struct points? Is it exactly like ships? So 1 hull/struct per 50 tons so?

Also, it would seem some space stations have a lot more hull/struct then that but they are not paying anny tonnage cost... just an MCR cost? I'm looking at all the examples given in the space-station book.

 

[AndrewW]

They have their own table, under Space Station design:

The following table gives the cost per ton of both AG and NG station hulls, as well as the tons needed for each structure point.

 

[Nerhesi]

Very familiar with that table Andrew

The problem is, look at the examples at the back of the book. Not a single one has any dTon cost for ANY Structure/Hull cost - at all! They range from having 1 to 50+ structure and Hull without any allocated tonnage/volume. So is that an error in the consruction of every provided station?

 

[sideranautae]

So is that an error in the consruction of every provided station?

Would not be the 1st time in the history of Trav rules that examples are buggy as hell. In fact, it is the norm over the last 30 odd years

 

[AndrewW]

Very familiar with that table Andrew

The problem is, look at the examples at the back of the book. Not a single one has any dTon cost for ANY Structure/Hull cost - at all! They range from having 1 to 50+ structure and Hull without any allocated tonnage/volume. So is that an error in the consruction of every provided station?

There shouldn't be any if it's just part of the hull. That would only be needed if they included reinforced hull or structure.

 

[Nerhesi]

We may be talking past eachother here...

The chart you reference is the COST in dtons for EACH point of hull and EACH point of structure.

There doesn't appear to be any free hull/structure (unlike ships).

There are stations that have as low as 1 hull and 1 structure and others that have 50+ structure and 50+ hull. These stations are similar/identical in size.

You are saying only/reinforced hull/structure should have a dton cost, which I agree with. However the examples don't seem to support that because you have identically sized stations with wildly differing hull and structure values (with no extra tonnage assigned to reinforcing either)

 

[Nerhesi]

So is that an error in the consruction of every provided station?

Would not be the 1st time in the history of Trav rules that examples are buggy as hell. In fact, it is the norm over the last 30 odd years

This would be the most flagrant example of problem with designs. I'm very familiar with a lot of the published ships and they're mostly very accurate (slight problems with ppl adding 1 ton fire-control to bays and barbettes, cost of command bridges, and Darrian ships indicating armor increase due to rad shielding vs fusion and particle beam dmg (it only works vs radiation))

But if this is a mistake, this completely invalidates all the designs included. Or at least requires significant overhaul.

 

[AndrewW]

We may be talking past eachother here...

The chart you reference is the COST in dtons for EACH point of hull and EACH point of structure.

There doesn't appear to be any free hull/structure (unlike ships).

Unless you've got a different chart then I have (which is possible, I don't have the release version), what I've got reads: "Tons per hull/structure point"

So same as for ships, nothing about having any hull/structure costing more.

 

[Nerhesi]

We may be talking past eachother here...

The chart you reference is the COST in dtons for EACH point of hull and EACH point of structure.

There doesn't appear to be any free hull/structure (unlike ships).

Unless you've got a different chart then I have (which is possible, I don't have the release version), what I've got reads: "Tons per hull/structure point"

So same as for ships, nothing about having any hull/structure costing more.

I have the same book as you, I was just misunderstood the verbage completely. When it says "as well as the tons needed for each Hull and Structure Point." above the chart, I somehow took that as the dtons needed.

What a spectacular failure. I would have just started dividing in the examples but I was on my blackberry at work in meetings when writing/investigating this

Thanks

 

[AndrewW]

I have the same book as you, I was just misunderstood the verbage completely. When it says "as well as the tons needed for each Hull and Structure Point." above the chart, I somehow took that as the dtons needed.

Nah, wouldn't be the same as what I've got but should mostly be the same material.

What a spectacular failure. I would have just started dividing in the examples but I was on my blackberry at work in meetings when writing/investigating this

Easy to misread some of the stuff.

Hopefully all sorted out now.