Size, Enc and carrying people

[Antalon]

In RQ Deluxe I cannot find explicit guidance on the following, hopefully someone can help me:

1. How is lifting or carrying a certain SIZE of a creature handled? E.g. my character wants to sweep up the dainty princess and run off with her, she's size 8 - I'm a burly warrior. Is it an Athletics (brute force) check and if so what are the mods? Is it compared to my carrying capacity (if so, how many Enc = 1 Size)? IN old RQ3 I would compare size v str on the resistance table....things aren't done like that anymore!

2. How much weight / mass does size represent and how does this compare to Enc.

I've searched the forum and seen some discussion on this. I wondered whether this had been offically dealt with as yet?

Old RQ3 had a handy table of size = weight - is an MRQ version available? RQ3 also had a rough guide of 1 Enc = 6 kg (from memory). What's it now?

 

[GoingDown]

Runequest Games Master's Handbook talks about this subject. Unfortunately I don't have the book with me right now so I cannot check it.

 

[Antalon]

Thanks - does anyone have any details about what the GM Guide says? I'm loathe to buy another book for an area of game mechanics (how to lift people!) that I think should form an essential element of any core rules?

 

[GoingDown]

Here you are:

"Brute force basically involves pushing, lifting or dragging. Under ordinary conditions a character can lift items in SIZ equal to his STR characteristic, and pull or push the same up to his movement in metres."

But no word about weight / siz / enc relations.

 

[elgrin]

It amy just be that I'm too lazy to look hard to find a current relationship, but I use the old RQ2 encumbrance table.

 

[Deleriad]

As a general rule of thumb you can say that up to SIZ 20, 1 SIZ = 5kg = 5 ENC. It's close enough to use.

 

[RosenMcStern]

Average male human is 65 kg so? I do not think so. For humans, 1 SIZ = 6 Enc = 6 kilograms.

 

[Deleriad]

Average male human is 65 kg so? I do not think so. For humans, 1 SIZ = 6 Enc = 6 kilograms.

For modern day Americans you're right but for dark ages humans it's probably fairly accurate. Relatedly, unless you like to play with a calculator it's much easier to simply multiply by 5. It is after all a game. SIZ in RQ is an abstraction of height and weight.

For convenience sake (e.g. with sorcerors using illusions and form/set)
I routinely use:
1 SIZ of gas = 1 cubic metre
1 SIZ of liquid = 5 litres = 5 ENC
1 SIZ of solid = 5 kg = 5 ENC

For living things SIZ is more abstract (due to SIZ being a linear scale but volume being cubic)
SIZ 1-20: Kg = SIZ*5
SIZ 21-40: kg = SIZ*10
e.g. SIZ 32 = 220kg (20 SIZ = 100kg plus another 12 SIZ at 10 kg/SIZ)

 

[Antalon]

Thanks again - I like simple.

I'll build this into my own rules errata note - which mainly seems to consist of some basic ommissions from the scope of the core rules.