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[Azgulor]

Forked from: “Empires of the Hyborian Age what happened to it"

Rather than further derail that thread with off-topic conversation, I thought it best to create a new thread. So picking up where Herve said"

Well, as always, kintire and his bootlicking pet came into the thread and we stopped talking about Conan and gaming to talk about me and start a new flamewar.

Could anybody tell them to stop before I get really gross? :roll:

Y’know Herve, you’re right. I should know better and for 11 pages of this thread, I remembered that in Internet forums things get lost in translation. Something that can convey humor, sarcasm, or innuendo when spoken can come across as insulting or aggressive when written and then read by another party. We’ve butted heads in the past and in almost every thread where our opinions clash, you stake a claim to the moral high ground of objectivity. So when kintire caught you in such a flagrantly un-objective statement, I laughed out loud and tweaked you a little. The “all in good fun” was meant sincerely. Clearly, you found no humor in it, so I apologize.

I’ve also come to realize why I couldn’t help myself. You’re like the tenured college professor who only engages in "debate" so long as he can control the debate and position himself for the win. Unfortunately for you, you have no “control of the classroom” in a forum. So whether it’s opinions presented as facts, one-sided “objectivity”, name calling, or just a flat out tantrum -- someone can call you on it. I realized a thread or two ago, that it wasn’t worth my time to debate with you anymore. I should have realized friendly sparring wasn’t an option, either.

So I’m done, Herve. Get as gross as you want, rant all you want, name-call away. For the first time I can remember, I’m longing for the “Ignore” feature on a forum.

(And since this is the Internet and the written word, if you imagine the above being read by William Shatner using the tone that Kirk used to Khan when he said “I’m laughing at the superior intellect”, you’re reading it as intended.)

 

[Scorpion13]

Speaking only for myself, I'm just so tired of being talked down to. I really hate the condescension that players who actually like OGL get. And this is nothing new, oh no, this has been going on for 9 years!

I especially dislike being treated like an ignorant savage by the people who want to change the system into their own favorite. Hey, fine, why not? But then to say things like "Isnt it time Conan got a real ruleset" is ridiculous. Honestly, you have no idea that attitude would antagonize anyone?

 

[Azgulor]

Well, I always thought it would be obviously antagonistic, but I was beginning to think I was the lone voice in the wilderness. Glad to hear I'm not the only one!

 

[Scorpion13]

Well, I always thought it would be obviously antagonistic, but I was beginning to think I was the lone voice in the wilderness. Glad to hear I'm not the only one!

Seriously. You come into a forum for a game clearly for OGL, insult it, and us by proxy, and then wonder why people are angry about it? If I wanted to play Storyteller or FUDGE or Runequest, I would play it. I dont feel like defending a system I enjoy playing on the company's own board.

 

[Saeros]

Seriously. You come into a forum for a game clearly for OGL, insult it, and us by proxy, and then wonder why people are angry about it? If I wanted to play Storyteller or FUDGE or Runequest, I would play it. I dont feel like defending a system I enjoy playing on the company's own board.

I agree. I am really surprized that the moderators on the Mongoose boards allow so many threads about how Conan should use a different system. If you don't like the Mongoose version, go play something else, and talk about it somewhere else.

 

[Scorpion13]

Seriously. You come into a forum for a game clearly for OGL, insult it, and us by proxy, and then wonder why people are angry about it? If I wanted to play Storyteller or FUDGE or Runequest, I would play it. I dont feel like defending a system I enjoy playing on the company's own board.

I agree. I am really surprized that the moderators on the Mongoose boards allow so many threads about how Conan should use a different system. If you don't like the Mongoose version, go play something else, and talk about it somewhere else.

I dont even care if they talk about it here, to be honest, just dont insult our favorite game and then treat us like we're idiots for liking said game and then act surprised when we are less than appreciative.

 

[Demetrio]

While I like the fact Conan is remaining OGL, I don't agree that people shouldn't feel able to lobby for the system of their choice on this forum. I do agree, however, that the rather infantile 'bashing' of OGL is annoying. The current Conan rules could really do with some tidying up I think. But it's not really a worse, or more unrealistic, system than any other. It just depends what you like.

 

[Azgulor]

Agreed, folks. Everyone's tastes in RPGs differs and I don't fault them for it. But tone down the attacks, false objectivity, and preaching "the one true way", and I think everyone would be happier.

I'm not a RQ fan, but I don't bash it or begrudge others for liking it. I like Conan OGL and want it to keep that system. I don't think that makes me a Horseman of the Apocalypse, but who knows. (If it does, I want a raise...)

 

[Ichabod]

Seriously. You come into a forum for a game clearly for OGL, insult it, and us by proxy, and then wonder why people are angry about it? If I wanted to play Storyteller or FUDGE or Runequest, I would play it. I dont feel like defending a system I enjoy playing on the company's own board.

I agree. I am really surprized that the moderators on the Mongoose boards allow so many threads about how Conan should use a different system. If you don't like the Mongoose version, go play something else, and talk about it somewhere else.

How to put it? I don't really know. This isn't likely to help and just adds another post to really insipid threads.

When I started reading newsgroups, I quickly realized something. Never say the same thing three times. The first time someone responded strangely to something you said, it could have been a misunderstanding. The second time? Just a pointless nonargument with no meaningful end. Other forums are better, of course. But, at some point, you just have to stop.

I don't understand what anyone hopes to achieve with the threads on which system to use. It's not like anything is new; if something is new, like someone comes out with a new system, then sure, can talk about how great playing Conan is with Spawn of Fashan 3.14. You can't convince people that what they are doing is wrong, so why even bother?

I see the point to discussion about house rules. Every role-playing game experience I can recall involved using house rules. That's not to say my bitching about class imbalances serves any purpose anymore as there's a parallel to these horrid arguments about system of people having already made up their minds. But, one presumes, there are house rules for things where people haven't made up their minds.

As for people who aren't playing by d20 rules, nothing wrong with that and if you somehow think that this forum is better than one of the forums for that system, then just post what you've done without being judgmental and maybe there would be some interesting discussion on the forum rather than deadly painful threads that are of no use to anyone.

I'm not sure why certain threads haven't been locked. All I see when I come to this forum these days is people arguing about systems and wondering when some product is going to come out. There have been a number of products that have come up recently enough to talk about. There are always ideas for adventures, campaigns, stuff, and, yes, even house rules.

 

[Hervé]

Wow... Torquemada's sidekick launches a crusade to burn the heretic....
I"m impressed. :roll:

 

[PrinceYyrkoon]

Christ if anyone thinks these boards are full of flames and insults, you need to try some other forums and see how they act.

Its all about freakin' game systems. No one is insulting the way you live or your personal morals, its just game talk. Christ. Cant the OGL take a little beating for being old school without you guys getting all offended?

If youre tired of hearing criticism of it, I would suggest, rather than us Runequesters going somewhere else, maybe you should try other boards.

These boards are for people who like to discuss Mongoose games.

 

[rabindranath72]

I'm not sure why certain threads haven't been locked.

Because there is no bad publicity. Even I who do not like d20 Conan have bought and used the Mongoose books, at least those who were not simply filled with stat blocks. So I suppose, d20 lovers should make an habit of having contrary opinions here.

 

[kintire]

Its all about freakin' game systems. No one is insulting the way you live or your personal morals

But they are. I've been called a fanatic for doing nothing more than continue to argue my side after the other party felt I should have seen that they were right by then. My fault was that I was still arguing: and when I pointed out that so were they that slid quietly by. A Certain Poster has repeatedly referred to "D20 terrorists" and described those who like d20 as closeminded, brainwashed and even brain dead. People who like d20 are constantly being insulted, then called rude; having their threads hijacked, then accused of "terrorism"; receiving rants that boil down to "I don't like this system, so its RUBBISH!!!!!!11!" and then being accused of lack of objectivity... the list goes on. I am fed up of being held to standards the ranter flagrantly break, and I am fed up of the fact that you cannot have any thread about problems or corrections about the system with being told you're stupid for playing anyway, and the solution is to switch.

If youre tired of hearing criticism of it, I would suggest, rather than us Runequesters going somewhere else, maybe you should try other boards.

And this, right here, is perhaps the most revealing remark about just what is going on here. Lets skate lightly over the absurd suggestion that we should leave the d20 Conan board to people who hate it and take our like for it elsewhere: lets focus on "us Runequesters".

What's a "Runequester"? Is it, perhaps, someone who has been playing Runequest since 1992? Someone who has been to both Tentacles and Convulsion several times? Someone who bought Mongoose Runequest as soon as it came out, and has been GMing one campaign in it and playing another ever since? Would that be a "Runequester?"

Well, that's me. Who has suggested I go somewhere else?

But I suspect that's not what you mean at all. I remember the dayss when being a "Runequester", or an "AD&Der" meant a good deal more commitment than that. It meant using that system, that system ALONE and championing it against all comers. I remember when White Dwarf (back when it was an RPG magazine) ran a RQ adventure, and the letters page next month was boiling with AD&Ders complaining about pandering to "minority systems". Any suggestion that an enemy system was worth ANYTHING was like defecting to the Soviet Union.

Herve comes from those days, and I suspect Yrkoon does to. But guys, we've moved on. Those days are gone. Accepting that a system iss good for one genre does not mean betraying your own. I am a Runequester, and a D20er. And, indeed, a 4th editioner, and a FUDGEer and a 7th Seaer and a Legend of the Five Ringser and a Feng Shuier. Less recently I have been a Weapons of the Godser and a Riddle of Steeler and a GURPSer and a number-of-other-thingser.

What we wnat is not for you"Runequesters" to leave, we want you to join the 21st century where you can pick systems that fit genres, play every game in a different system, and you don't have to get tribal about it any more.

 

[warzen]

What we wnat is not for you"Runequesters" to leave, we want you to join the 21st century where you can pick systems that fit genres, play every game in a different system, and you don't have to get tribal about it any more.

Soooooooooooo right. So it's not an issue for MGP to switch from d20 to anything else.

 

[flatscan]

Soooooooooooo right. So it's not an issue for MGP to switch from d20 to anything else.

It is for me. But as the peeps at Mongoose have already announced, that's not what's happening (thankfully). You can't please everyone all of the time. OGL Conan is selling well and there are plenty of us out there who enjoy playing it. It is disheartening to see so many posters on this board blast OGL for a crap system like RuneQuest of all things. But nobody is stopping you guys from converting the OGL material to MRQ material. I'm amazed with the amount of discussion wasted on pleading for Mongoose to make MRQ Conan. You guys would be better served just converting it on your own and sharing the results on the board. That way you get what you want and can play the game the way you want to play it. There's a ton of products out there for OGL Conan. Mongoose isn't going to just scrap all that to make a handful of MRQ fans happy.

 

[rabindranath72]

It is disheartening to see so many posters on this board blast OGL for a crap system like RuneQuest of all things.

Right, crap. I have personally never used this word to describe d20 Conan. But now that we are at it, I suppose that's nothing more, nothing less which is thought about D&D Conan OGL d20.

 

[flatscan]

Right, crap. I have personally never used this word to describe d20 Conan. But now that we are at it, I suppose that's nothing more, nothing less which is thought about D&D Conan OGL d20.

Yup, that's my opinion. You're entitled to yours. If you think OGL is crap I'm not going to try and change your mind. It would be pointless to. I think RuneQuest is and always has been crap. Obviously, YMMV. Don't take it as an insult, that's not how it is intended.

 

[rabindranath72]

Right, crap. I have personally never used this word to describe d20 Conan. But now that we are at it, I suppose that's nothing more, nothing less which is thought about D&D Conan OGL d20.

Yup, that's my opinion. You're entitled to yours. If you think OGL is crap I'm not going to try and change your mind. It would be pointless to. I think RuneQuest is and always has been crap. Obviously, YMMV. Don't take it as an insult, that's not how it is intended.

No insult taken, I do not like RuneQuest But neither I am going to say "crap" of anything. It's just games.

 

[Scorpion13]

Just out of curiosity, how easy is it to convert OGL stuff to RQ? I mean, is it a real pain, or do they kinda sorta work?

 

[flatscan]

Just out of curiosity, how easy is it to convert OGL stuff to RQ? I mean, is it a real pain, or do they kinda sorta work?

Not owning a RQ rulebook I really couldn't say. The d20 Call of Cthulhu book had a conversion from BRP to d20 at the back which could help though.